Quadrapop Tree Gallery, Inworldz

Quadrapop Tree Gallery Official Opening Party

2011-10-07T23:13:00.000-07:00

As quad bought Dolphin Bay on 25 October 2010 we thought it was about time we had an official opening... so we are having a sleep over on Saturday 22 October from 5pm till 5am!...

Guided tours of sim 6pm, 10pm, 2am, music, friendly people, and random gifties in between.

Quadrapop Tree Galleries:

Art,

Decor,

Wearables,

Prefabs

& more

Also on the sim a Halloween Treasure Hunt chest!

Event listing on IW website on October 22
Forum posting on event in IW Forums

Follow QTG on Twitter
See QTG Images on Koinup

New QT Light Gallery on Dolphin Bay

2011-06-18T20:48:00.000-07:00

The original QT Gallery on the ground at Dolphin Bay has been revamped and is now made of light, metal, stone and painted brick.

Teal Freenote is the first of the QT Gallery artists to return with 4 new works.

Sculpture 25: "The Raveling of Fate":

Sculpture 30: "InsideOutsideIn Infinite":

Sculpture 31A: "InsideOutsideIn" 3D & Sculpture 31B: "OutsideInsideOut" 3D:

The brick walls of the new gallery are crying out for paintings, prints or NPIRL relief works to decorate them. On each level circular display areas await sculptural pieces and raised surfaces suitable for displaying small sculptures or design pieces, even jewellery.

There are at least 6 free artist places of 200 prims each maximum still available. Original 2D works and sculptural pieces suitable for domestic or commercial display will be especially welcome. Please submit photos of works or LM to a current exhibition for consideration to quadrapop Tree in InWorldz. This is your chance to display your works for free alongside some of the well known artistic names in IW. Come take a look then contact quadrapop Tree in InWorldz.

Quadrapop is IWNN Artist of the Month this June

2011-06-02T06:09:00.000-07:00

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I am very honoured that Childs Writer and Scarlett Qi have asked me to be their June "Artist of the Month" for InWorldz News Network.

Scarlett Qi's interview with me will shortly be up on their website here .

Over 30 works are scattered throughout the IWNN grounds and in the sky maze above - all for sale (including 2 freebies)

In the centre of the IWNN sky maze you will find this exclusive colour dream plant. The Sky maze TP is in the blue ball near the small gallery on the ground.

So please come and see this display during June - and pick up a copy of the latest issue of IWNN from the dispensers.

Follow QT Gallery

Blog: Quadrapop Tree Gallery, Inworldz

Twitter: Follow quadrapop on Twitter to hear about new items at QT gallery or join the

InWorldz group: via the joiners at any of the main galleries on Dolphin Bay.

InWorldz Forums: QT gallery thread on the IW forums.
QT Gallery
QT Prefabs
QT Home Decor
QT Landscaping

In the month of May

2011-05-22T02:16:00.000-07:00

The Phlox Script Engine comes to Inworldz May 24th! This will mean smoother sim performance in general and many of the functions and aspects that did not work with the old Opensim scipt engine will now work!!

Several parties have been held on IDI and the other sims trialling Phlox with many 10s of avatars present and all able to move without experiencing the usual treacle like lag. Truly you can now say to folks who are lagging that it is client side or their own network connection at fault. The sims themselves dont even blip down in Time Dilation with 50 avatars all wearing a normal script load! Truly amazing to those of us used to the lag induced even with 20 avatars present on a SL sim.

Elenia called a party on IDI this last Friday Night IW time, which fortuitously fell on my RL birthday. I was able to open birthday presents and drink my morning cuppa while celebrating with a group of old and new friends - all without lag (I did appear to suffer a bit of textures not fully loading but I'm sure if I had asked the av's who were not fully loaded to rebake all would have become clear:) I'm very much looking forward to the full rollout of Phlox.

This last month I have worked more on the labyrinth garden (it will also house a decal and poster shop;). I'm working on a series of floating islands (but dont hold your breathit may take a while to get them to a fit state for public consumption) and also a remodel of teh gallery to go on the ground and house the info hub and other artist's displays.

A new prefab store appeared on the prefab level. This one is inspired by my old alma mater as well as some builds I saw while doing various hunts on the SL grid. This 20x30m 2 level store comes with several versions of the roof line and frontage - minimum prims 75, maximum 107 (as seen in the photo below). Sold mod, copy, no trans for Iz200

The DreamPlants landed in the sea near the Dolphin Bay landing point this is a teaser for the Floating Islands project:

On the weekend I was interviewed by Scarlett Qi from InWorldz News Network after posting a notice about the QT gallery on "WHERE can I find it" inworld group. Look for an article soon on IWNN's art pages.

Quadrapop Tree Gallery info is now available in the following places:
Inworldz Wiki (will be updated as I have time)
Blogspot Blog - where you are now
Inworldz Forums:
* Art
* Prefabs
* Landscaping
* Home Decor
Images on Koinup
Follow quadrapop on Twitter

That's it for this month... more when the muse inspires and creative juices flow....

UWA Open Art Challenge placing

2011-05-01T22:49:00.000-07:00

At the beginning of this year Jayjay hassled me to enter the UWA Open Art Challenge so I pieced together 6 items and sent him them in 3 folders to cover the next 3 months of the competition.

I hardly visit SL much anymore, other than for social events with close friends who are yet to make the move away. I have no gallery there and do no promotion of my art within SL. I dropped in each month to see how my pieces had been set up and occasionally added some info and took a quick look around whatever was up on the UWA art platform... my pieces missed that certain something that the best works on display show. Consequently I never expected to place in any of the rounds.

So I was genuinely surprised on Sunday May 1 (in the early SLT morning) when Jayjay had announced all the prizes but the UWA judge's and my name had still to come up even though he had told me I had to be there for this month's announcements (a sure sign of having won _something_)... I was starting to think he had something else in store for me, what, I had no idea.... and then he announced the 2nd place winners:

Now for the top 3 Prizes. All of these works will go straight to the Grand Finale round. Honestly, for the judges it was extremely hard, and emotions flew high, with almost blood being splilt on the judging floor. Never were there more diverse opinions. It was wafer thin among the panel among the 10 pieces everyone liked best, and somehow those margins allowed for a single 1st Prize winner. And so....
3rd Prize for the UWA 3D Open Art Challenge for APRIL goes to: NOBODY
I know there have been numerous ties in the past. I need to explain this a bit. The RL panel meets twice for an hour each and in that time have to come to agreement. So in the end when there is heated argument, we compromise by putting up joint winners. The important thing is that all of these go to the Grand Finale, where there is a larger panel of people across the grid, and about one month to decide instead of a few days.
and so...
Joint 2nd Prize (L$5,000) for the UWA 3D Open Art Challenge for APRIL goes to: ULTRA VIOLET by quadrapop Lane, a long time supporter of the challenge, quadrapop breaks through for the first time :)
Joint 2nd Prize (L$5,000) for the UWA 3D Open Art Challenge for APRIL, ALSO goes to: THEATRE OF WAR by Miso Susanowa

Thank you to Jayjay, Freewee, the UWA partners and the UWA judges, and to all the artists who have ever entered the UWA art challenges... this project is one of the most useful in SL to promote the possibility of this medium as an art form.

I wont be entering any more rounds @ UWA as I am not creating any new works in SL (you have to go to Inworldz to see my current works) and have exhausted the best of my archive of SL works.

But you can still see some of my work on display in SL till the end of July as part of Relay For Life as I have 10 works available (including some of the ones I entered in UWA's Challenge) in RFL vendors. Works are displayed here, my RFL Vendor is here and here.

QT Wearables: Nazar Bangles & Pendants

2011-04-27T00:50:00.000-07:00

New series of jewellry in the form of Nazar or evil eye amulets is now available at the QT Wearables Gallery in the Cloud Gallery on Dolphin Bay sim in Inworldz.

The series at this time includes, for both male and female: bangles, pendant necklaces and a single amulet for use in a home or shop. These amulets will ward off all the negative in your virtual world as well as be funky jewellery.

The Nazar collection on display at the QT Wearables Gallery, Dolphin Bay. There is a Group gift from the Nazar series in the box nearby (wear your QT Gallery Group tag and touch box). Group joiner board next to the QT Wearables display. Right click and copy link location here for a link to paste into your chat window in Inworldz to join the QT Gallery Group and receive notification of events and give aways.

The Nazar pendants come in female and male size. The Nazar can be either blue or yellow irised. No trans or no copy versions available.

Bangles come in female and male size for both left and right forearms. The Nazar can be either blue or yellow irised. No trans or no copy versions available.

Each set is priced at just 100Is.

More April goodness @ QT Gallery, Inworldz

2011-04-20T18:06:00.000-07:00

The muse has been working over time...

The Mining the Archive exhibition draws from over 5 years of RL photographs posted to Flickr. It comprises of a selection of those images from quad's Flickr stream deemed most "interesting" or most commented/favourited.

All 14 images are sold for 100Iz each: framed (3 prims total), mod, no copy , transfer. Modification of framing is available for free - simply IM quadrapop Tree with your requirements.

Mining The Archive, Cloud Gallery, Quadrapop Tree Gallery, Dolphin Bay, Inworldz.

Another piece in the ongoing exploration of the possibilities of combining Corto's sculpties with quadrapop's textures, the QT Blackboy Spikes light boxes are mesmerising light shows on the surface of a cube. Examples are on display both on the ground on Dolphin Bay and up in the Cloud Gallery.

quadrapop is working on uploading images of all the works made in the last 9 months in Inworldz to Koinup. At writing example images of about 1/2 all the works have been uploaded.

QT Gallery April News

2011-04-16T01:54:00.001-07:00

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After working with the wonderful Friends Fighting Cancer team at the 2011 Fantasy Faire during April: in the form of 10 works placed in Vendors at two places (these will be available till the end of the Relay in July), as well as estate management and trouble shooting during the Faire, I've settled back into Inworldz creation.

All the works made at the Quadrapop Tree Gallery in Inworldz have now been photographed individually and will be posted shortly to quadrapop's Koinup pages.

The creative juices have flowed over March and April. During March Dolphin Bay sim saw the introduction of the Q3 (or Q cubed) Gallery. This new space houses some distinctly modernist and minimalist pieces as homage to the influences of 20th Century Art in the creation of Quadrapop Tree Gallery items.

March also saw additions to the QT Particle Gallery - this is an ongoing work in progress and will morph over time into who knows what? As with all the items on the Dolphin Bay sim it depends on the whims of the gods of creation and inspiration...

The Quadrapop Tree has a plot on the IW Birthday sims and this will be up till end of April Tranq & Elena have told us so do go visit:) The Birthday sims are running the new Phlox script engine so worth a visit to see how well things run :)

After the break from IW creation necessitated by volunteering at Fantasy Faire the QT Gallery has added to the growing display on the Dolphin Bay sim the first in an occasional series of prefab builds. The Blue Wooden Store is available on the ground to buy from the box on the boardwalk outside the shop. (Store: 48 prims, Boardwalk: 6 prims, Mod, Copy, No trans for Iz's200) The textures used are largely sourced from the CGTextures website.

Follow quadrapop on Twitter to hear about new items at QT gallery or join the inworld group via the joiners at any of the main galleries on Dolphin Bay. Information about all new additions and events are also listed in the QT gallery thread on the IW forums.

February @ QT Gallery, Inworldz

2011-02-27T18:14:00.000-08:00

February has been a slow month for QT Gallery in IW - distracted by RL and social activities.

Even so some new items have been added to the Cloud Gallery this month,

noteably some trippy colour changing dance floors

and all new 2d images for your lounge room wall.

The Group Gift of male and female glass pendants still available in the Wearables Corner of the Cloud Gallery:

Female Gift

Male Gift

Buy yours from the gift box - make sure you wear your QT gallery group tag.

New Gift for everyone available next to the newsletter dispenser on Floor 1 of the gallery on the ground:

Hope to see you all at the gallery again soon,

quadrapop

Quadrapop Tree Group Gift January 2011

2011-01-30T22:20:00.000-08:00

Quadrapop Tree Gallery is developing nicely on the Inworldz grid.

The Ground Gallery has quadrapop, Miso Susanowa, Qiana Tuqiri, and Teal Freenote inside, with quadrapop and Scottius Polke's works on display outside.

Up at 150m accessible via either the sky stairway (starting near Scottius' build) or the TP network - use Q's Gallery destination) the new Cloud Gallery is showing quadrapop's own works including some wearable art in the form of the first jewelry line.

This is the new platform looking south.

This is the Cloud Gallery looking north.

To celebrate there is an exclusive Group Gift available in the Wearables corner (NW corner of the Cloud Gallery).

Wear your Quadrapop Tree Group tag to receive the gift from the gift box - female and male versions of the glass pendant necklace in Jade - mod/no copy/transfer.

Female version - Jade Glass Pendant - Group Gift

Male version - Jade Glass Pendant - Group Gift

NOTE*** URL links in this post should be copied and pasted in chat within Inworldz then used to open the map to TP to the venue.

Quadrapop Tree Gallery moves grids

2010-11-08T21:45:00.000-08:00

Last posting here was a preview of some new things that were out at QT Gallery in SL. Since then the Gallery displayed a 1/8 sim sized final build called the Black Build. Opened on 2 October it closed on 2oth October and so did the SL Gallery.

Why?

Basically a lack of continued faith in Linden Labs (who have done some exceedingly odd things in the last 6 months) and the ending of income from curating UWA Art Challenge which was financing the gallery (I have no idea how people make money from selling art ;).

For the same amount of money it was costing us for a 1/4 sim in SL we purchased and can manitain a whole sim in Inworldz. Full sims in Inworldz allow for 45000 prims, prim sizes range from 0.001m to 256m, scripting works, though physics scripting is currently not turned on (it will be with the introduction of Nvidia Physics engine slated for 1st quarter 2011) and sims seem to manage up to 20 avs without crashing. Which considering the whole thing is running on Opensim tech (all be it tweaked by the IW coders) is pretty good. At the moment some of the expected promotional avenues are not working - but there are work arounds - and this will not always be so. Inworldz is still in open Beta so some things not working quite right are to be expected.

So...

Quadrapop Tree Gallery is now residing on Dolphin Bay sim on Inworldz grid.

Arists interested in exhibiting: there are ten 100 prim low script displays available on a sales commission basis. If more prims are needed these will be negotiated on a per prim price.
Contact quadrapop tree inworld via IM and join the Quadrapop Tree Group.

The official opening of the sim will be in a few weeks once the gallery is completed and the artists are all settled.

Currently quadrapop tree, Scottius Polke, Teal Freenote, and Dusty Canning have works up, these will shortly be joined by a few more interested and interesting people.

New @ Quadrapop Tree Gallery

2010-07-09T04:11:00.000-07:00

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Three new RL images and a glowing alpha texture.

Win 3 quadrapop original textures...
come vote for one of the textures on the board in the ISM Shop.
Next Monday night SLT the 3 most popular will be given to the voters.

Quad's Rezday and Gallery Reopening Party

2010-06-30T05:07:00.001-07:00

You are invited to the re-opening of the Quadrapop Tree Gallery
(totally revamped and now displaying quadrapop's own works,
as well as collaborative works with Corto Vieria and CaptainCrunch Hax.)

and

quadrapop turns 3 on 5th July

Come celebrate both events at
Quadrapop Tree Gallery, 6pm SLT, 5th July

Music, dancing, egg hunt (full of fish and art),
Lucky Chairs (filled with small collectable sculptures)
and of course the artworks of quadrapop Lane
displayed in a distinctly quadish environment.

Viewer 2.0 Explorations

2010-03-16T17:57:00.000-07:00

I am forcing myself to use the new Beta SL Viewer 2.0... partly so I am up to speed on it when newbies start getting it as their default browser... partly as a challenge to myself... partly as an aid to my friends when they have to start using it.

Random thoughts will be added as I learn the quirks and oddities of this new way to interact with SL.

So in no particular order, other than when I think of/find the weirdness, here goes...

For a blog post that sums up my initial findings and adds to them - and also usefully suggests fixes/things for the Lab to consider: Viewer2.0 beta: The Good, The Bad, The Ugly and the Odd

No Map Cordinates
Map is broken - no ability to specify the co-ordinates - search for a sim and the only Z co-ordinate (height) you can get is the same as you are on in the sim you are currently on - so if you are in a sky box on your home sim and search another sim in map and teleport the only height you can enter at is the same skybox height... boys there are 3 (three) dimensions in this place not 2!

...and to top it off when you get to the new sim you cant tell anywhere on the immediate interface how high up you are as you fall from the sky :(

Ambiguity of Identity Project - Alts

2010-02-04T16:35:00.001-08:00

8. Alternate avs and the purposes they serve.
Alts and paranoia. Are you spying on me?

Alts or alternative accounts in SL (and other VRs) are created and used for many reasons. From the completely innocent (to hold groups or back up content in SL) to the malicious griefer. Many use alts to compartmentalise their various activities within VRs - for instance a work account, a play account, and a RP account etc

Residents who say all alts are malicious reveal more about their own psychology than they do about the reality of alts in VR.

Ambiguity of Identity Project - SL relationships 101

2010-02-04T16:34:00.000-08:00

7. The Tunnel of Virtual Love - and the head trip associated with it.
Is having a relationship in SL cheating on you rl partner?

I have been meaning to write SL relationships 101 for a long long time.

When asked by newbies about sex and intimate relationships in SL I suggest they think about it carefully... if they are single they need to be aware that those they get involved with may not be, may not even be the sex they say they are in rl, and may not even be single in SL... if the newby is in a relationship i counsel they ask themselves how their partner would feel if they were using a phone sex line while viewing cartoon porn... if their partner is fine with that (or they already have "rules of engagement" defined within their relationship) then go for it with all the usual warnings of relationships formed without face to face contact in meatspace.

Coming from a polyamourous relationship in RL I have experience with multiple partnerships, their joys and pitfalls and the level of honesty (both with one's self as well as one's partner/s) and depth of ongoing communication with all parties that it takes for any, and all, relationships in the net to survive, or at least not be detrimental to the well being of those involved.

Even so I have made my fair share of mistakes in SL relationships (for which I unreservedly apologise to those who I hurt), however, as in RL, I have endeavoured to learn from each of those mistakes and try not to repeat them. I must have done something right as I have 2 SL partners (both of whom I have been partnered with for more than 12 months) and still a strong relationship with my RL partner. I have a group of loyal friends, many who would be or wish they could be even closer.

Is a relationship in SL real or virtual?

Any relationship between two humans is real - regardless of whether that relationship is mediated by technology or not. The following quote from a fellow blogger says it all really:

Excepting explicit role play, an avatar acts and speaks as an extension of the person controlling it. Second Life isn’t a game, it’s a medium through which people interact. Calling avatars “characters” “playing” a “game” may sound cute but its a corner case.

Is there a difference?

No as the virtual is only a mediated version of the real. There are differences of quality, depth, level of possible understanding and communication channels, but only degree not in substance.

Ambiguity of Identity Project - differring abilities RL/SL

2010-02-04T16:33:00.002-08:00

6. Differently abled in rl/how the virtual world and ambiguity of identity impacts them.

Not a topic I can talk on from personal experience. Would love to hear stories and ideas from those who have experience with VR and how it extends/helps or hinders.

Ambiguity of Identity Project - avatar as art or statement

2010-02-04T16:33:00.001-08:00

5. The avatar as a work of art or idealized self or to make a statement.

As usual what follows is rambling disconnected thoughts on this topic (maybe one day I will pull it all together into some form of coherent whole)

This I can relate to. For me the avatar is an expression of my "self" just as anything we say or write is an expression of our self on some level - even if it is only in our choice of words/context/timing etc.

I came across the following in a blog post from last year by Zhaewry:

Connecting people via computers doesn’t introduce anything that isn’t present when two people interact. Putting aside fundamental debates about the nature of self awareness and consciousness, avatars are projections of people. Excepting explicit role play, an avatar acts and speaks as an extension of the person controlling it. Second Life isn’t a game, it’s a medium through which people interact. Calling avatars “characters” “playing” a “game” may sound cute but its a corner case.

This expresses my feeling on what is an avatar and how it relates to Second Life.

The avatar is clothing, decoration, communicating choices and values both explicit and implicit.

The avatar is not separate from the human controlling it - however much some may try to say otherwise.

In a VR humans still relate to others as they would to a physical entity in most cases. Whether this is a good thing , or indeed if it will continue to be the case as further generations experience various forms of representations via avatars remains to be seen.

At present it is a factor which is possible to exploit to effect the way others respond to one's own representation in SL (and any other VR where there is a wide range of possibilities in customising the look of one's avatar).

Personally I use this often - morphing my avatar to suit the environment or people whom I am with - making it either easier or harder for them to interpret my words and actions, making statements with my choices, challenging assumptions.

Unconsciously we "read" an avatar - and once you have been in SL for a while you learn to see an avatar who chooses to not explore past the "default" avatars given them by LL in a different light than say someone who chooses to explore the amazing variety of content supplied by the residents of SL (not always needing a huge investment of time or money).

Anyone who plays "dress ups" is on even the slightest level using their avatar to express themselves. And those who mash up various creater's content to create their own avatars do this to a greater extent (my own avatar falls in this area). And then there are those who actively create their own avatars from scratch - making shape, skin, clothing, and attachments.

The idealised avatar is common in SL - where it is not actually that easy to make an avatar that recreates your RL self. Sure you can get a photo realistic skin made and roughly approximate your shape, but much of who we are seen as in RL is in the facial expressions and bodily movements that are so hard to recreate in SL. So instead most people, who want a human avatar, will end up making an avatar that is an idealised version of either how they see themselves or how they would like to be but are not. Even those who choose to wear non human avatars are often idealising their mental view of themselves, taking on the form of their "totem" or other mental ideal image.

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quadrapop after the Ambiguity of ID meeting:

there is an interesting aspect to vr - the mix and dissonance of RL human responses (the reading of physical cues that doesn't quite map onto VR) and
once the user is matured within the VR
a much wider range of opportunities to express
and ability to read others and their choices
but at same time
you have to keep in mind that what you see may be completely arbitrary and relate in no way to the intention or wishes of those involved
in here lies the ambiguity of identity
for me it is integral to my online existence
it incorporates the very human ability to believe one thing and think another and do a third
all simultaneously

(I'm thinking this particular post will end up with lots of images illustrating the points better than my brain is capable of at present)

Ambiguity of Identity Project - changing your look

2010-02-04T16:29:00.000-08:00

4. Changing your look
>>Sabrinaa suggested... an interactive exhibit where participants test out options to change the look of their av.

Changing my avatar look is some thing I do all the time.... but not every one is like that.

For me what my avatar looks like and how it moves relates to how I feel, who I'm with, what I am doing, what reactions I am likely to get, what reactions I want to get... obviously I am not a static personality (thos eof you who know me well .... stop laughing...) but also the fact i chaneg my avatar look a lot does not mean i change my mind a lot - I am not playing multiple roles or character, what you see at any one time is an aspect of RL me.

Avatars in SL only
Avatar in an online context can be anything form a default square image on a blog comment thread or IM chat client profile, to a chosen still or animated GIF, to a 2.5D cartoon in a 2d or 3d environment, or as in SL, an attempt at a photorealistic 3d representation within a virtual reality.

>>Body Language, eye contact. http://www.elearningfuture.com/practical-applications-of-research-how-humans-relate-to-avatars/
AOs and what they say or not say
This is still the hardest part of SL for me to suspend disbelief in. tThe animations our avatars make are not true reflections of what we would be doing in RL in the same situation. Often the body language of the avatar is at odds to what is being said or otherwise expressed (emoted in text for instance). Gestures go some way towards addressing this - or should do but their implementation and triggering is clunky and difficulty to set up. Not to mention the difficulty of finding suitable animations to start with.

Gestures
More to come

Shape, skin, clothing, attachment choices
Big lot to come here

Ambiguity of Identity Project - gender

2010-02-04T16:01:00.000-08:00

3. Men in rl/women in sl & women in rl/men in sl.

Being a polymorph my apparent gender in SL is mutable - and really does it matter what my RL gender is? My SL intimates know my RL gender (but that is my choice to reveal) however on a general public interaction level my RL gender is immaterial in almost all cases. For me not revealing my RL gender to someone with whom I am in an intimate or strongly emotional relationship is on a level with lying to my RL partner - not something to be done. One of my SL partners was severely hurt by an ex who played the opposite sex in SL to their RL sex and maintained a complete fiction even after knowing (very early on) that being the RL gender they were precluded the level of relationship they had with my SL partner. But simply wearing the opposite gender in SL to RL is not in itself bad - it is how you treat others that really matters.

During my time in SL my own understanding of my gender in both worlds has developed as has my understanding of how to "read" other avatars. Through experiences with my SL partners I have experienced many subtle and interesting aspects of how I personally relate to apparent gender and dominance levels.

I've seen different reactions form other residents depending on what gender I am or what gender they believe me to be in any given situation.

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The reasoning behind wearing an apparent gender that is opposite to RL gender is many and varied - each individual has their own set of reasons and justifications.

There are people who use SL to explore their own gender identity or to express aspects of their self that they do not feel capable of doing in RL. Still more use SL as a place to explore the possibility of gender reassignment as part of their own real life journey.

Some simply experiment with gender to see how it effects the reactions of those around them.

Still others wear female shapes as it is so much easier and cheaper to dress them nicely :)

Some people cannot conceive of being any gender other than they have in RL... and some who are vehemently against avatars not being the same as their RL human, which says a lot more about their own psychological state than that of the people who are exploring alternative possibilities.

Note: I'll add links to various research and blogs that cover this subject when I get a chance to compile the list. I'm friends in SL with several gender identity researchers.

Ambiguity of identity - Varieties of Avatars

2010-02-01T22:26:00.000-08:00

Note Bene: These posts are my ramblings on the topic and will not always be well thought through nor concisely worded - think of it as vaguely arranged stream of consciouslness... and feel free to comment :)

2. Varieties of avatars
Subcultures: Nekos, faeries, elves, tinies, furries, ponies, Doms/slaves, Steampunk, Star Trekkies, urban grunge, samurai, geisha, artists;)

One subculture not mentioned above is the one to which I suppose my own avatar belongs... that of Polymorph meaning many shapes in the one account - I'm not counting folks who have separate accounts for different types of avatar - they are a different story. Polymorphs will wear more than one avatar shape/sex/spiecies on the one account. Some do it on a whim - as I do - others will wear specific avatars when engaged in specific activities.

I have worn and played both male and female versions of neko, furry, tiny, mechanical or abstract avatars, am currently a dom to my partner Corto (also a polymorph), worn steampunk, engaged in RP, visited urban grunge wearing the same, and am an artist in whatever form I wear. But overarching all these is the fact that my shape may, and does, change regularly and without notice.

To me the concept of not ever changing my av shape and skin (my RL partner's SL partner has not changed hers since sometime in 2006 soon after she joined SL) is completely alien - not even changing the shape to accommodate the vagaries of the sl prim attachment or system skirt limitations.

Staying the same sex or vaguely same style of avatar I can understand, but to refuse to move with the advancements in skin or clothing design as SL grows and progresses seems to me akin to not using a mobile phone because you were born before they were invented.

Political: Democrats, Republicans, Socialists, Libertarians, Fascists, right wing hate groups. Is Al Qaeda in SL?

not sure how a particular digital representaion (avatar) can be representative of a particular political party or leaning.... is akin to being racist in RL and saying if someone looks middle eastern they must be a Muslim. It is the humans behind the avatar who are political.

Now that said there are avatars who are presented in specific ways for political reasons... skin heads wearing avs that look like rl skin heads for instance, but not every AV that looks that way is a skin head... as in rl no one group has control of any one appearance and in SL where you can literally be anything this is even more true.

There are groups in SL that push the boundaries of Terms of Service (some of teh things mentioned above are specifically forbidden in SL and are Abuse Reportable when encountered). Certainly there are groups that enable people with specific political and religious beliefs to keep in contact and arrange events.

How does an avatar's groups list (which can be hidden and thus not public) shape that AV's identity? I know I use the group list of people who land on my parcel to help shape my decision of whether to ban or make them a friend, guilt by association I know, but in SL no one can force you to join a group so any group an Avatar chooses to make public in their profile must have some meaning to that avatar's human.

Religious: Buddhist groups, monasteries, virtual churches, rl churches with SL ministries...

Again these are social groupings and for me are peripheral to the avatar's identity... an avatar may be a member of one of these groups but is not of itself that group (you cant have an SL Group with only one member - you need at least 2 for it to remain an active group).

OK an avatar may identify with one or more of these groups in the same way that in RL someone may define themselves by their religion even before their gender or marital status or other aspect of their identity, but they cannot BE that religion.

So a semantic distinction....

Now there may be some ambiguity involved because in RL the person behind the avatar does not identity publically in RL with their religion of choice within SL (I can think of situations in which this could be the case) but this is likely to be a rare occurrence.

Ambiguity of Identity Project

2010-01-31T18:16:00.000-08:00

Sabrinaa Nightfire from New Caerleon Art Collective invited me to take part in
The Ambiguity of Identity Project at Caerleon.

The following is quoted from the notecard supplied to participants:

Ambiguity of identity results because we appear in the virtual world as a changeable digital representation (an avatar.) Our digital body constitutes our perspective on things and how we are perceived by others. Digital bodies can also be altered, multiplied, discarded, or exchanged at will including indicators of age, gender, race and even biological species.

As part of my involvement I am attempting to answer each of the suggested points of reference also given in the notecard. I will respond to them both in reference to my own online identity and in a more general sense.

Here is a list of links to the posts:
1. Identifying with your avatar - see below
2. Varieties of Avatars
3. Gender
4. Changing your look
5. Avatar as art or Statement
6. Differing Abilities and VR
7. Sex & Relationships in VR
8. Alts (Alternative accounts), uses and abuses
9. Relating and Working
10. Multiple Identities
11. Other Forms of avatar
12. Overview

the first is:
1. identifying with your avatar....feelings it.
Is my avatar the person I want to be? Or is it the person I want to be with?

My answer to this is both... to understand this response you have to know that in SL I am a ploymorph - I wear all sexes, many genders and a number of species. All are aspects of my self as i perceive it in all worlds.

I identify with my AV on an intellectual level - but for me deleting my account (for instance) would be data loss (painful but not emotionally debilitating) and most definitely not identity loss.

The entity feeling stuff is me in the meatspace, occasionally mediated by my digital representation via any roleplay my avatar may be involved in at the time (which happens, but not constantly) - in the same way my feelings might be mediated in an acting workshop.

On the same level, it is the meatspace entity behind the avatar with whom I interact (regardless of what their personal views on the matter might be). This can be problematic when dealing with people who wear a complete separate character in virtual space - trying to separate themselves completely from their digital representation.

As for whether it is me or who I want to be with - it all depends on the avatar I am wearing (for me they are like clothes) - sometimes they are specifically made to be what I would love to be with and other times what I would like to be - given the opportunity.

This post may get edited as time progresses but for now....

Tomorrow I will look at:

2. Varieties of avatars Subcultures: Nekos, faeries, elves, tinies, furries, ponies, Doms/slaves, Steampunk, Star Trekkies, urban grunge, samurai, geisha, artists;) Political: Democrats, Republicans, Socialists, Libertarians, Fascists, right wing hate groups. Is Al Qaeda in SL? Religious: Buddhist groups, monasteries, virtual churches, rl churches with SL ministries...

Freewee set up an etherpad document for the group - see what has been added - and members of the group please add your thoughts there - eventually this could be shared inworld via LL Viewer 2.0 Shared Media on prim/s.

New work up at the Quadrapop Tree sculpture park

2010-01-21T21:03:00.000-08:00

It's a garden of light. Sweeping curved stairs lead to a wonderland of rainbow goodness. Thanks to Corto and Cel for the lovely sculpty shapes used. Textures by quadrapop.

Works by Glyph Graves, Strawberry Holiday, White Lebed, Truthseeker Young, Corto Vieria are scattered through the garden among works by quadrapop... please take the time to wander, listen to the birds and wind in the trees. Dancing and music available at the northern end of the garden.

The Quadrapop Tree Gallery is taking a break...

2009-12-20T17:05:00.001-08:00

...quadrapop is just too busy co-hosting the UWA Art & Design Challenges to keep up the Gallery in the forseeable future. Never fear quadrapop will still promote and support the arts in sl and will advertise and ramble on here as well.

In the new year the current exhibition of Corto & quad's sculptures at Poorlatrice will come down and up will go a sculpture garden with examples from quad's own collection... feel free to drop in any time and take in the peaceful surroundings.

Thanks to all those who have supported the gallery over the last 2 years - the Gallery will continue to exist - just go quiet for a bit.

quadrapop's works are available for viewing and purchase at Chaos & Beauty and on the UWA sim: at Quad's haunted house and in quad's basement gallery.

Collaboration makes art @ Quadrapop Tree Gallery

2009-12-05T18:26:00.000-08:00

Glowing, flowing, swirling, crystaline shapes meet rainbow, abstract alpha textures, the result is an exhibition of over 20 pieces at the Quadrapop Tree Gallery. This is the result of a collaboration between quadrapop lane and Corto Vieria. Corto makes sculpty shapes using Sculpt Studio inworld, and quadrapop makes textures and prim sculptures. Combining these skills and sharing files these two have come up with a series of works celebrating colour and movement only possible within SL.

One of Corto's piece's responds to avatar proximity changing size and shape as you walk through the work.

All quadrapop's pieces large enough to walk inside are phantom so it is possible to immerse yourself within the work. Suggested lighting is sunrise or sunset.

NOTE: one of the texture movement scripts used in these pieces requires activation via the viewer editing the work (right click the piece and choose edit from the pie menu), to see the effect please try this technique on the fence around the landing area - the picket's texture will go from static to moving rainbows of colour.

Australian Nartional Portrait gallery in SL!!!

2009-10-13T21:27:00.000-07:00

http://www.portrait.gov.au/exhibit/doppelganger/

I'll add more after I go there... about to rush out into the sunshine to run errands but had to share this one;-)

Uni of Western Australian in SL

2009-10-11T15:01:00.000-07:00

What do you do when the University you spent some of your most formative years at gets a sim in SL? Not just one sim but 2! And to top that off is offering a huge Linden Cash prize for an Art and design Competition?

Why, you go check it out of course.

That is what i did when one of the arts groups I am in sent out a notice about the competition.

I landed in a sand box... good start... I looked around and recognised some of the half built buildings... there was the Physics Dept and there was the clock tower from one of the iconic buildings on campus... uh oh are these guys falling into the trap most institutions in SL fall into and think that rebuilding the RL campus in SL is the way to give functionality to their SL campus?

I spoke to the owner, JayJay Zifanwe, and over the next few days was drawn ever deeper into being involved in the project, he realised already that building RL buildings in SL was not the best way to utilise SL for a University where they aim to hold inworld classes for their students and take advantage of the other networking opportunities of this VR platform. I was drawn into this thanks, partly, to my Mentor habit of answering questions the newby wasn't aware they needed answering (and some of these people were pretty freshly minted in SL, less than 3 months old and building their Campus buildings in SL), questions of script loads, prim counts, land parceling... all the thousand and one details that make Estate Management such a complex job and not an easy job for a new resident.

JayJay had got some SL builders to help out with the non-RL stuff and the Art & Design Challenge had already attracted a few interesting names. I thought about entering one of my works, but then JayJay asked me to build a landing platform for the main sim, and shortly after that (after finding out what I had been doing in SL for the last 2 years) he asked me to co-host the Art & Design Competition... I said yes, and any chance at that 50,000L prize went out the window... but... I now had the opportunity to work alongside a team which was doing some extraordinary things and were attracting the attention of some highly skilled, intelligent and experienced SL residents.

The UWA builders had one RL advantage - they had built the campus already (at least in part) for a Google maps Competition, and it turns out one of them had written the package they were using to make the prims out of world. I watched as they completed a selection of the buildings for the Official opening on October 2. By this time I had met them in RL at the University.

On 2 October I was sitting in an office in the Physic Dept using a specky high end Mac to be inworld as SL hostess for the sim opening. Down the corridor in a lecture theatre JayJay and his Uni team were giving speeches that were being streamed into SL. Unfortunately there were the usual SL issues of lag - and most of the SL audience could not see the video or hear the speeches but, to their credit, all the SL audience stuck it out. I hadn't been able to see the video at home during the testing we did, so i wasn't too surprised it didn't work for a proportion of the audience - and we never did manage to find out what the issue was (and i have a in-home networking guru who tried his best to figure it out, making sure all the right ports were open and other arcane things that most of my SL audience on the day would not have the computing skills to fiddle with). But the usual SL interactivity worked well - one of the lecturers was in Sweden and has been holding his classes inworld while he is away. His powerpoint slides in SL and voice from SL to RL worked fine... so the tools that most of the teaching staff might use were proven to work to a lecture theatre full of the heads of Departments and Schools from around the Campus. Including the Vice Chancellor of the University - who was most pleased with the avatar which had been made up for him.

We had quite a few curious Uni people come into sl over the next few days - my mentoring skills came in handy.

The Art & Design Challenge has kept me and JayJay busy since the opening - getting ready for the judging and then last night we had the first of the Winner Announcement parties - which seemed to go very well indeed... the increased prize money and extras Jayjay has managed to secure for the Challenge winners drew gasps of awe and surprise from the audience - and not a few cries of Aussie, Aussie, Aussie.

Now to get UWA in SL a website, blog, twitter account, flickr, koinup etc to advertise the events we have planned and to increase their social networking....

So now you know why I've been a bit quiet here for a bit :-) - Photos and links will be added shortly

Interesting Stuff on the web...

2009-08-15T20:07:00.000-07:00

...about SL related topics. Stuff I have found recently I found interesting and wanted to share/record/keep the links.

RezEd: as their home page says is "an online hub providing practitioners using virtual worlds with access to the highest quality resources and research in the field to establish a strong network of those using virtual worlds for learning." This organisation covers all forms of VR worlds from kids stuff to SL and beyond. There is a strong SL presense so if you want to network with others in the education (in both SL and out of it) field this could be a good out of world place to do it.

An SL build (apparently first seen at SL6B but now hosted here) on Maslow's Hierarchy of needs... I like the way they have used the avatar's experience of SL as the starting point. But as with many of these builds - how exactly do you represent this stuff? How do you make the space and avatar's experience be something more interesting than a Powerpoint presentation? (And we all know how un-engaging those can be, even when the actual factual content might be fascinating)

This latter problem faces all displays of information and learning in SL and looking for ways to approach this underpins my own practice in SL.

New Home for the Gallery...

2009-08-05T23:25:00.001-07:00

Yes... I know we have moved a lot this last few months - hopefully this time it will be a permanent home. Mainland, mature and overlooking the most gorgeous sunrise and valley. The land itself inspired the new Gallery build. Come see and pick up your invite to Form's exhibition opening. Virtual Lens reception on 22nd August 4pm SLT.

Planned for this venue are more Exhibitions, a shop with a mix of gadgets, buildings and fun stuff and building tutorials... join the Quadrapop Tree Group Subcribo (no group slot required) at the gallery landing point to hear about upcoming events and blog updates.

Prim Torture pallette....

2009-07-30T05:50:00.000-07:00

Ever wondered how to get those cool shapes? Well wonder no more! Ayumi Cassini has come to your rescue: http://ayumicassini.blogspot.com/2009/07/ultimate-guide-to-prim-twisting.html

Formatting Heliosense (aka Patrick Millard) @ Quadrapop Tree Gallery...

2009-07-25T19:58:00.000-07:00

....once quad has finished rebuilding the Dragonfly Dreams sim ground, she will remodel the gallery and in August it will host a brand new exhibition by Formatting Heliosense (DJ and artist)... Formatting's own RL website and also this entry on the voicesoa website.

From the press room:

2009: August 14 - 31,
Patrick Millard Virtual Lens,
Quadrapop Tree Gallery,

Reception: Saturday, August 22, 4-6pm SLT

Quadrapop Tree Gallery will be exhibiting Patrick Millard’s [SL: Formatting Heliosense] new Second Life photographic series Virtual Lens from August 14 – August 31, 2009. This exhibition will be the premier showing in Second Life of this series since it has been shot. The opening reception will be held on Saturday, August 22, 4-6pm SLT.

In 2008, Patrick began to show his work inside the virtual simulation world Second Life; exhibitions that advance beyond two-dimension work and expand his ideas of simulation, virtual reality, and the synthetic future where the physical object gives way to its virtual counterpart and its presence is valued entirely for its idea rather than its place in space.

Patrick’s work continues to investigate transhuman and futuristic themes such as cyborg ontology, nanotechnology, robotics, virtual reality, the singularity of man and machine, cryonics and ending aging among other topics that are shaping the way we experience the world we live in.

Virtual Lens has been described by Patrick in his artist statement as follows:

Virtual Environments have become increasingly popular as we have moved forward into the 21st Century, and with this trend we are witnessing an expansion of our reality and the notion of objecthood. The developing world of virtuality has resulted in a market of goods that are bought and sold but no longer tangible to the buyer or seller. The outcome is a greater respect and enthusiasm for information as product itself. Goods are continually becoming cherished more for their ability to carry concept and idea rather than their physical place in space.

In Virtual Lens this world of virtuality [Second Life] is seen for its visual and informational offerings. The world possesses artistic, educational, social, retail, residential, commerce, etc. in a diverse number of configurations that are both recognizable from the world we have known in our ‘real life’ structure and as new developments that have been created by the users of the virtual environment.

Photographically these image captures represent a new development in the digital era. Much like viewing a web cam of a location from the world that extends well beyond our place in that world, the captures taken in Second Life are a collection of representations taken from a new and developing reality that some have predicted will be the mainstay of our time in the 21st Century.

It is without doubt that virtual environments will play a major role in our understanding of the world. They will both remind us of the memory from a time before such experiences and offer a reformation of the way we make sense of our surroundings and ourselves.

SL mentioned on PM - Radio National

2009-07-23T00:31:00.000-07:00

Thomas Malby on SL and VR on PM Tuesday 21st July and further comment on Mark's Blog

RFL is upon us....

2009-07-17T03:06:00.000-07:00

and my friend Rebelmum has made her own Cancer Survivor's Dream blog commemorate it.

More on RFL in SL at the ACS website

Let's Relay!

... and now the Relay is over for another year SL resuidents have helped raise a record amount to help American Cancer Society's fight. More than a 1/4 million USDollars was raised in world... making the SL fundraiser event one of the largest of 2009 in any world.

Stuff about SL in the media...

2009-07-14T01:23:00.000-07:00

From the Metaverse Journal: In late June, the UK’s Channel 4 ran a documentary called Another Perfect World.

quadrapop Lane in Future Project @ Erato of Cearleon

2009-07-13T00:47:00.001-07:00

From the invitation Sabrinaa Nightfire sent out:

The Future Project opens Sunday, July 12 at 1PM SLT.
Come out to see the spectacular and innovative builds by:

Al Lurton
Blue Tuski
Cae Sands
Fran Benoir
MaryvaZhora4Project Melody
quadrapop Lane
Sabrinaa Nightfire
shellina Winkler
Solkide Auer
White Lebed

*Erato - one of the Greek muses - means desired or beautiful....

If you would like a souvenir of the build please visit the Quadrapop Tree Gallery and pick up your free 10m version;-)

Quad has been busy....

2009-07-01T17:32:00.001-07:00

OK I know I haven't updated this blog in ages... but I do have good excuses.

In May I was asked by Ember Farina(shown above)to help out as creator liaison for the Relay For Life team Friends Fighting Cancer's Fantasy Faire (June 15-23)... little did I know just how much work that would be... several weeks of IMs and notecards and answering queries and follow up with creators (thanks mostly to SL having a habit of not actually delivering things you send when someone is off line). Then a week of Estate Management and running around helping folks during the actual Faire.... (you can still see some of the amazing stuff put in RFL vendors and the style of builds at: Boaz's Market, Faire's End fete where you will see the style of builds that covered the Fantasy Faire sims, and Star Journey the FFC home)

All while I was trying to build a piece for SecondLife 6th Birthday. The theme this year being the "Future of VR Worlds"

I was excited to be involved as I believe that VR is going to be an integral part of Web 2.0 and Web 3.0. My build used all the SL only building techniques I could think of (apart from a stack of scripted stuff that I'm just not up to putting together myself as yet). If you the prims they will give you links or information on apsects of the VR worlds and what they can and are replacing or enhancing. The SL6B builds will be up till 6th July.

At the same time I was building a space for my partnering with Corto - a beautiful ceremony come from a team effort.

SL family is a strange and wonderful thing and I never thought I would end up with one. However, dont expect to see gushing and glowing reports of my family in my picks... I'm just not that sort of avatar;-) Thanks to Corto (my new partner and Liege), Talon, Ember, Rajn, Ari, Cap, Denz, De, DJ Falen and last but not least Nyx, who gave me away but still got to keep me... love you all! You helped make a stressy day go smoothly.

After a day or two to catch my breath (during which I managed to actually get into the Hair Fair!).... I started in on my build for the Caerleon "The Future in Erato" project...

this opens on Erato of Caerleon sim at 1pm SLT (while I am fast asleep unfortunately) on July 12... building finishes on 5th July - my 2nd birthday in SL! I cant believe I've been involved with this VR for so long.

Hopefully my SL will calm down a bit from now on... but what with a redesign of Dragonfly Dreams for Talon, exhibition invites from Star Journey and elsewhere I can see me being busy for some time to come.

quadrapop Lane in Primavera Show

2009-04-08T16:26:00.001-07:00

Angelgate have a new gallery and are opening it with a huge show with works by 38 SL artists - quadrapop being one of them!

I am so proud to be shown next to the likes of Bryn Oh, Glyph Graves, Strawberry Holiday and many, many more well known artists.

AngelGate is a non-profit community promoting creative exploration and innovative arts.

The opening is on 11th April noon, so is timed to coincide with quad's sleep time but don't let that stop you from going and being amazed, immersed and blown away by the works of these artists.

LMs to come after I go inworld ;-)

Why no posts?

2009-04-08T16:15:00.000-07:00

Long time no post here - and the reason is so much has happened in the last month.... has it really been that long!

It has been a month of change on QTI with many things happening unexpectedly or in a messy fashion - not all of which were under my control. The long story short is that QTI is effectively no more.

The Quadrapop Tree Gallery continues to exist - it has moved to a new sim and will reopen in a few weeks (once I've bullied our artists into exhibiting their latest pieces as well as an early work in a kind of group retrospective - "Looking back, Looking forward")

If you are in the Subscribo for the Quadrapop Tree you will know some of this already and will be informed of more information as it become available. If you are not - hit the subscribo panel at the landing point on QTI - available there only till 11 April.

Thank you to all the people who have supported QTI over the last 9 months and who have enjoyed the builds there - but never fear there will be builds with that special 'qaud touch' available for your enjoyment somewhere on the grid.

Look forward to seeing you at the new venue soon :-)

world builder

2009-03-06T19:01:00.000-08:00

How SL should be....

Paradise....

2009-02-15T03:33:00.000-08:00

What is your idea of Paradise? In SL? In RL?
If you make stuff, script stuff or play/stream stuff we have a challenge for you... 15-30 mins of songs, or 30 prims of build on the theme of Paradise - your paradise, someone else's, in sl or out... visit the Quadrapop Tree Isle Landing Point and click the rainbow ball for infocard.
First Themed Challenge display and streaming will be on 18th February 2009 @ Rooftop Club Gallery on Quadrapop Tree Isle.

February Rooftop DJ Schedule

2009-02-03T02:49:00.000-08:00

Here is the DJ schedule for February at The Rooftop Club Gallery, Quadrapop Tree Isle, Secondlife.
All times are in SLT

Monday
5pm - 7pm Savascha Navarita
7pm - 9pm Ramdog Mimulus
9pm - 11pm Kathrine Ivory
11pm - 1pm Warrick Renfold

Tuesday
7pm - 9pm Savascha Navarita
9pm - 11pm Red Verwood

Wednesday
1am - 3am Wildsilk Capalini
5pm - 7pm Foxie Yoshikawa (every other Weds)

Thursday
6pm - 8pm Andros Sciarri
8pm - 10pm Windsor Lorefield
10pm - 12pm Solange Simondsen

Friday
6pm - 8pm Ices Zapatero
8pm - 10pm Guinevere Kirshner
10pm - 12am Savascha Navarita

Saturday
7am - 9am 8wall Wigglesworth
3pm - 5pm Madison Oller/TBD
5pm - 7pm HotJack Canning
7pm - 9pm Colleen Lilliehook
9pm - 12am PirateDucky Constantine

Sunday
5pm - 8pm Quirky Questi
8pm - 10pm Xi Ballyhoo
10pm - 12 Solange Simondsen

Check the board in the club for changes and keep an eye on the The Rooftop Club or Quadrapop Tree Isle groups for unscheduled sets.

The following DJs may also be found spinning sets at teh rooftop from time to time:
Milo Dyden
LeeLee Frangilli
Ennui Clip
Campbell Emmons
Penelope Sideshow
Infinite Graves

New Event! - QTI Themed Challenge!

2009-02-02T20:58:00.000-08:00

The QTI Themed Challenge is here.
Starting now!
The inaugeral QTI Stream & Builder's Theme Competition judging will take place
on February 18 2009 from 5pm SLT.
Venue TBA (as will depend on the entries)

Details and rules for the competition are available on Quadrapop Tree Isle at any of the Teleport hubs.

All content creators are invited to take part.

Fortnightly themes will be posted here and in-world via the Quadrapop Tree Subscribe-o-matic group. Join the group by clicking on one of the subscriber panels on QTI (Landing Point & Rooftop).

Contestants will be given 2 weeks notice of the next theme.

All are welcome to enter one or more of the Challenges.

Competition judged by audience vote.

Free to enter.

Prizes may vary. Sometimes it will be for the kudos alone ;-) Sectional prizes if enough entries.

Suitable for DJs, poets, comics, musicians, artists, designers, architects, landscape artists.... any and all content creators may take part.

Quad's garden open

2009-01-17T15:13:00.000-08:00

Take the TP to the emPod level and you will find the TP ball to a new and highly romantic garden. Dance to flamenco guitar, snuggle, relax and read a book, listen to the birds, dangle your feet in the waterfall's plunge pool... best seen at sunrise or sunset.

Rooftop Club Gallery DJ Schedule January 09

2009-01-15T19:53:00.000-08:00

The Rooftop Club Gallery is open 24/7 with DJ's spinning at the following times
during January 2009:

Monday
5pm - 7pm Savascha Navarita
7pm - 9pm Ramdog Mimulus
9pm - 11pm Kathrine Ivory
11pm - 1pm Warrick Renfold

Tuesday
7pm - 9pm Savascha Navarita
9pm - 11pm Red Verwood

Wednesday
1am - 3am Wildsilk Capalini
5pm - 7pm Foxie Yoshikawa

Thursday
8pm - 10pm Windsor Lorefield
10pm - 12pm Solange Simondsen

Friday
11am - 1pm Frederick Graves (?)
6pm - 8pm CheckersSpeech Low
8pm - 10pm Guinevere Kirshner
10pm - 12am Electric Emmons

Saturday
7am - 9am 8wall Wigglesworth
3pm - 5pm Madison Oller/TBD
5pm - 7pm CheckersSpeech Low
7pm - 9pm Colleen Lilliehook
9pm - 12am PirateDucky Constantine

Sunday
3pm - 5pm Ices Zapatero
5pm - 8pm Quirky Questi
8pm - 10pm Xi Ballyhoo
10pm - 12 Solange Simondsen

The following DJs do not have scheduled times but whom may play sets as they are available. Keep an eye on the QTI and Rooftop Club IM's and notices:
HotJack Canning
Milo Dyden
LeeLee Frangilli
Ennui Clip
Campbell Emmons
Penelope Sideshow
Infinite Graves

Dj's yet to be scheduled:
Gummo Guisse
Falen Baar

NOTE: if you arrive at the Rooftop at any of the above scheduled times and there is no one there please IM Rooftop Club group or the Rooftop Venue Manager Solange Simondsen to find out if there has been a cancelation. There is a notice board in the Club with the next 24 hour's worth of sets displayed.

Quadrapop Tree Subscribe-o-matic group
Please join the subscribo at the Rooftop to receive these weekly schedule updates and monthly group gifts. Subscribo groups do not take a group slot. To unsub from the subscribo come to the rooftop and touch the Subscribo sign for a menu - this is also how to access the group message history. Rooftop Dance floor SURL

All the QTI sim is open for exploration - but please be respectful of the privacy of our residents... all public areas are available from the central TP Hub rings - Rooftop TP Hub or Main Landing Point TP Hub

Nyx and quad got hitched

2008-12-28T05:48:00.001-08:00

On December 9 Nyx asked quadrapop if she would do hir the honour of becoming partners. Quad said yes. Today they sealed that partnership with private vows said in front of a select group of friends and family in a beautiful space created by Denzo. More photos

Basic building Class - How to make a vendor board

2008-12-16T23:38:00.000-08:00

7pm SLT Wednesday 17 December
(yes this is during Beta Bate's set - so the class will be conducted in a group IM & we can listen to Beta's inspired musical choices during the class)
Rooftop Club Gallery rooftop

quadrapop Lane will be conducting a class in the basics of how to put an item for sale in SL either the item itself or the contents. No previous building experience required!
things that will be covered include:
- what is a prim?
- what can be put in a prim?
- setting permissions
- textures - how to make and apply them
- setting float text and giver scripts

Rooftop Club Gallery has a new manager

2008-12-16T22:54:00.000-08:00

Thank you to Ennui Clip for being our founding Club manager and helping make the club the success it has been so far. Due to RL Commitments Ennui has downgraded his involvement in the club to that of DJ and talent developer (he's helped train a number of our new DJs in the use of Winamp).

The venue is now being managed over-all by Solange Simondsen, along with an expanded management team. Solange will be maintaining the DJ schedules and weekly promotions as well as acting as the main contact point for the venue. Ennui and Katherine Ivory are remaining as talent scouts and developers. Ember Farina and quadrapop Lane are assisting with artistic and special events promotions. Mysti Lemon is heading up the new security & greeters team (if you would like to join this team please contact Mysti inworld). Any suggestions or feedback about the Rooftop Club Gallery should be directed to Solange Simondsen.

Quadrapop Tree Isle now has a subscribe-o-matic group for regular notices and group gifts, so no more need for the QT announce group. Regular Rooftop DJ Schedules will be updated weekly via this announcement group. Art exhibition openings, Building Classes and other events will be announced via this group. Gifts of art or other goodies will also be a semi regular occurance. To join simply touch the panels conveniently located on the sim's landing point and just inside the door of the Rooftop Club Gallery. To access the group history - touch the panel again and choose the history option.

Please take the time to explore the sim - pick up your list of sim LMs from the landing point. We have many beautiful works by some of SLs leading artists spread around the sim - both on the ground and up on the Rooftop platform. There are several snuggle spots to share with that special someone and our very own emPod. If you are interested in renting a parcel please read the covenant to be found in About Land anywhere on QTI.

Links and more Links....

2008-12-07T18:38:00.000-08:00

Rooftop DJ Foxy's own record label

QTI blogged by Victoire Catteneo with some stunning photos of recent displays on the sim.

Torley Linden took some lovely photos of the sim - quadrapop used some of Torley's textures for the landscape textures on QTI

New Stuff at QTI

2008-11-26T14:03:00.000-08:00

On the ground and up at the Rooftop Club Gallery platform there are new immersive artworks by Kirky Kiergarten.

quadrapop Lane has new sculptures displayed down the rabbit hole outside the Rooftop Club front door. Swirls of colour responding to the wind.

Next weekend there will be a big party to celebrate the end of the Burning Life builds and the opening of Sysperia Poppy's SL photography exhibition at Rooftop. Large and lush, Sysperia's photos explore gender, identity and sexuality. Watch this space and inworld groups for further details.

Know Your Menus - File menu

2008-11-16T16:39:00.000-08:00

As promised I am starting to put up the Know Your Menus Classes on this Blog - here is the first one "File Menu"... this is the last draft of the notecard given out at the class, and will be updated as new info arrives or as I decide to modify the text for whatever reason.

The File Menu
for a quick reference cheat sheet for all the shortcuts used in the SL browser and the official wiki page which may or may not be as up to date ;-)

Upload image
You can upload images in TARGA (.tga), PNG (.png), or JPEG formats (.jpg)
TGA - 24 bit for standard textures, 32 bit required for alpha textures (ie those TGA's that have an alpha channel to make areas transparent or partially so)
PNG - will be alpha if you have a transparent background and normal if you have a white background
Uploads cost L$10 each file - you can up load individually or in a batch - but each file will cost you L$10
on upload you can preview your file before you pays your hard earned Lindens as any of the following things ( a pull down menu below description field in the upload window):
Image - flat texture as ity might appear on a prim face
Hair - how it would appear as Linden default hair
Female/Male Head - how it would appear as applied to the default Female or Male head
Female/Male Upper body - how it would appear as applied to the default Female or Male upper body - useful for trialing upper body skins, undershirts, glove, shirts, upper jackets
Female/Male Lower Body - how it would appear as applied to the default Female or Male lower body - useful for trialing lower body skins, underpants, pants socks, shoes (only partially on the latter)
Skirt - full length skirt - if you have alpha in it to make it shorter or have a non straight bottom edge etc it will appear at the maximum length you have made
Sculpted - what the texture will create if applied to the Sculpted texture panel in the Object tab of the Edit window - as applied to a 1x1x1m sculpty

Upload Sound
how to do sounds for SL video from Torley: http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=QBVmFafFatE
Sound files are constrained to 10secs long and need to be saved in 16 bit, 44Khz mono or stereo and in .wav file format.
Each file will cost you L$10 to upload

Close windows
will close each of the floating windows on your screen either in reverse order of opening or all at once -depending on which shortcut you do Cntl-W or Cntl-Shift-W

Save texture as...
If you have a full perms texture open this option will be available... you can then save the image as TARGA (.tga) onto your hard-drive.

Take Snapshot (or SL photography ;-)
Opens the Snapshot window here you have a number of options:
Send a postcard
you can send the image as is in an attchment in an email to anyone whose email address you know including a message.... if that person then joinsd SL using that email addy as tehir email address you will get a bonus in Linden ;-)
Upload a snapshot
you can upload the image displayed for L$10
Save snapshot to hardrive
the image as displayed in the preview will be saved to the directory you specify as will any subsequent images saved to disk from SL
Preview panel
the black outlined area is the part of the screen that will be saved
File Size
the size of the file you will send, upload or save
Refresh Snapshot
will refesh the image to what is currently on the screen
Save/Cancel - self explanatory
more
will open more options
Less
will close the options

Image size
pulldown menu with the following pixel size options (which will apply to all snapshots taken until this option is changed again):
current window (the size of this will depend on your own scren resolution/aspect ratio)
the other options in this pull down menu will depend on what you are doing ie postcard/uploading/saving the image shown
postcard: current/640x480/800x600/1024x768/custom (you set the area size)
Upload: current/small (128x128)/medium (256x256)/large (512x512)/custom (max will depend on your screen resolution and what you have set in screen resolution in your SL Preferences)
Save to harddrive: current/320x240/640x480/800x600/1024x768/1280/1024/1600x1200/custom all these may depend on the screen resolution of your machine
if inputting custom sizes and want to retain the proportions of your selection whilst making the pixel measurment larger or smaller check the constrain Proportions box - only avail when you have custom size selected)
image quality - this slider is only available when sending a postcard
Capture
Colours: will capture what you see normally (with or without the HUDS as specified in the check boxes beneath)
Depth will capture the atospheric fogging/depth indication
Object Matts - shows what is on top of what - map colouring style
Check boxes:
show interface in snapshot - have this selected if you want to see the effects of glow on your image (but make sure all your windows and huds are out of the area you want to capture)
show HUD objects in snapshot - shows your HUDs but not the windows you have open and does not show glow effects
Freeze frame - after selecting this click refresh... you can then use your mouse and the modifier keys to zoom around (alt rotates the camera view, ctrl tilts it, control shift pans) - great for getting the right shot when taking photos... and uncheck to return to normal viewing ;_) It's kind of like frozen SL
Auto refresh - will update the snapshot regularly

Snapshot to Disk
Any settings you last set in the Snapshot panel will be used if you use this option
Shortcut - Cntl-~ (tilde is on the top left key of a QWERTY keyboard)

Upcoming events on QTI

2008-11-12T20:46:00.000-08:00

I'm going to attempt to update this blog at least every other day, hopefully daily with Events and info and general useful tips... we shall see;-) (As if I don't already have enough to do!)

At the Rooftop:
THURSDAY
5pm - 8 : Penelope Sideshow
8pm - 10 : Windsor Lorefield
FRIDAY
11am-1 : Frederic Graves
6pm - 8 : CheckersSpeech Low

At Out of The Prim:
5pm Sunday 16th Nov (Repeat 3am Monday 17th Nov)
Know your menus - World Menu

Rooftop Tats are Here!

2008-11-11T21:36:00.001-08:00

If you haven't already get on down to the Rooftop Club Gallery and grab yourself a Rooftop Club logo tat - suitable for boys, girls and inbetween, available on all upper body layers. Free from the box just inside the front door of the club.

Around the sim...

2008-11-11T21:22:00.000-08:00

... we have new residents (Hi Cam and Nyx) and will shortly have some new works.

quad has collected so much free stuff recently (Halloween holidays are hell on bandwidth!) that as of this weekend she is going to start storing excess inventory in the plants already on the sim (her inventory is getting just a tad out of control)...

Now much of this stuff will be copiable and transferable... and so... if you are the kind who loves poking around in garage sales for a bargain, or cant resist the dumpsters in SL, or are just curious to see what quad has stashed in her inventory get on down to the ground at Quadrapop Tree Ilse and touch a few plants... eventually you will find something that will give you something other than a notecard. No guarantees and buyer beware, but there will aslo be original artworks tucked in amongst the trash.

Happy hunting!

Out of the Prim Know Your Menus class time changes

2008-11-02T03:17:00.001-08:00

Due to daylight savings starting and finishing and quadrapop actually wanting to sleep on Monday nights the times for the repeats of the Out of the Prim - Know Your Menus building classes has moved to 3am SLT on Mondays.

The first run-through of each class will still be held at 7pm SLT on Sundays..

The venue continues to be the Out of the Prim hangout on Quadrapop Tree Isle.

Upcoming Out of the Prim building classes include:

7pm Sunday 2nd Nov (Repeat 3am Monday 3rd Nov)
Know your menus - View Menu Part 1 - Mouse Look to Mini Map

7pm Sunday 9th Nov (Repeat 3am Monday 10th Nov)
Know your menus - View Menu Part 2 - FPS to Beacons

7pm Sunday 16th Nov (Repeat 3am Monday 17th Nov)
Know your menus - World Menu

7pm Sunday 23rd Nov (Repeat 3am Monday 24th Nov)
Know your Menus - Tools Menu - quick intro - covered fully in the Basic Building classes

7pm Sunday 30th Nov (Repeat 3am Monday 1st Dec)
Know your menus - Help and Advanced Part 1 - snapshots

7pm Sunday 7th Dec (Repeat 3am Monday 8th Dec)
Know your menu - Advanced Part 2

Basic Building - Part 1 - Tools menu and getting to know your edit window
Basic Building - Part 2 - prim manipulation
Basic Building - Part 3 - textures and texturing
Basic Building - Part 4 - prim contents - includes some very basic scripts handling

Landforming - basic landforming for owners of mainland and islands

Particles - basic introduction to what a particle is and what the parts of a particle script do...

QTI Halloween '08

2008-10-30T01:23:00.001-07:00

Quadrapop Tree Isle
cordially invites you
to come and be scared in the Media Sphere
we will be holding, not one, but three!!! video parties through the 24 hours of
October 31st SLT
Parties will be held at
3am SLT
11am SLT
7pm SLT
at the QTI Media Sphere
Please invite your friends to join you.

Participants will need to be able to stream media videos in SL
and be personally capable of dealing with flashing visual effects.

quadrapop Lane
Quadrapop Tree Isle

Rooftop Club Gallery Line up and more

2008-10-23T17:33:00.000-07:00

The Rooftop's DJ line up now looks something like this....

MONDAY
5pm - 7 : Colleen Lilliehook
7pm - 9 : ramdog Mimulus
9pm - 11 : Katherine Ivory
TUESDAY
6pm-8 : LeeLee Frangilli
THURSDAY
5pm - 8 : Penelope Sideshow
8pm - 10 : Windsor Lorefield
FRIDAY
11am-1 : Frederic Graves
6pm - 8 : CheckersSpeech Low
SATURDAY
5pm - 7 : CheckersSpeech Low
7pm - 9 : Ennui Clip
9pm - 12 : PirateDucky Constantine
12am - 2 : Pasta Vendetta
SUNDAY
5pm-8 : Quirky Questi

As you can see we are slowly filling the week... and starting to cover prime timezones other than the US. The music styles are varied, but all the DJs have info card givers in the club (just inside the door) so come on in and check out when your favourite DJ is playing or who is playing what...

Join the Rooftop Club or Quadrapop Tree groups in Search to hear about changes or additions to the venue Events

2008-10-13T19:23:00.001-07:00

quadrapop lane will run the following building classes at Out of the Prim starting
Sunday October 12th
they will be held at 7pm SLT Sundays
and repeated 7am SLT Mondays
at the Out of the Prim hangout

The following "Know your menu" set is useful for all residents who haven't explored their menus recently.
You will learn what is there, where, and how to use it and the shortcuts for common actions from the menu.

7pm Sunday 12th Oct (Repeat 7am Monday 13th Oct)
Know your menus - File Menu - Uploads and Snapshots

7pm Sunday 19th Oct (Repeat 7am Monday 20th Oct)
Know your menus - Edit menu Part 1 - Avatars and Attachments

7pm Sunday 26th Oct (Repeat 7am Monday 27th Oct)
Know your menus - Edit menu Part 2 - Groups/Friends to reducing Lag via Preferences

7pm Sunday 2nd Nov (Repeat 3am Monday 3rd Nov)
Know your menus - View Menu Part 1 - Mouse Look to Mini Map

7pm Sunday 9th Nov (Repeat 3am Monday 10th Nov)
Know your menus - View Menu Part 2 - FPS to Beacons

7pm Sunday 16th Nov (Repeat 3am Monday 17th Nov)
Know your menus - World Menu

7pm Sunday 23rd Nov (Repeat 3am Monday 24th Nov)
Know your Menus - Tools Menu - quick intro - covered fully in the Basic Building classes

7pm Sunday 30th Nov (Repeat 3am Monday 1st Dec)
Know your menus - Help and Advanced Part 1 - snapshots

7pm Sunday 7th Dec (Repeat 3am Monday 8th Dec)
Know your menu - Advanced Part 2

Basic Building - Part 1 - Tools menu and getting to know your edit window
Basic Building - Part 2 - prim manipulation
Basic Building - Part 3 - textures and texturing
Basic Building - Part 4 - prim contents - includes some very basic scripts handling

Landforming - basic landforming for owners of mainland and islands

Particles - basic introduction to what a particle is and what the parts of a particle script do...

Upcoming events Sept 27 - Oct 4

2008-09-27T05:52:00.000-07:00

At the Rooftop Club Gallery:

Art:
Jon Haskell - amazing large sculpty animals... even flying pigs and balancing elephants! Australian Trees and plants by Artfox Daviau and Glyph Graves.
RL abstract paintings by Kolor Fall.
RL photographs by quadrapop Lane.

Music:
At the rooftop the SL evenings are filling up fast with music. We have an inviting place to come dance, and hear an eclectic mix of music from experienced staff and guest DJs. Manager: Ennui Clip.

MONDAY (SLT)
7pm - 9pm : ramdog Mimulus
9pm - 11 : Katherine Ivory

THURSDAY (SLT)
5pm - 8 : Penelope Sideshow

SATURDAYS (SLT)
5pm - 7 : Orly Clowes
7pm- 9 : Ennui Clip
9pm-12 : PirateDucky Constantine
12am- 2: Pasta Vendetta

Welcome to DJ Penelope

2008-09-22T05:46:00.000-07:00

Today DJ Penelope Sideshow joined the illustrious company of the Rooftop Club Gallery DJs. She will be spinning tunes for you on Thursday evenings from 5pm-8pm SLT.

In other news: earlier today the Rooftop Club Gallery was invaded by some over sized animals by Jon Haskell - a Giraffe, Flying Pigs, a Squirrel with nut, and even a Pink Elephant among others! Seeing is believing! Rooftop landmark

Rooftop Club Gallery Expansion....

2008-09-18T18:21:00.001-07:00

If you visited the Rooftop in the last 24 hours you will know what i mean...

The Rooftop just got larger! More space to dance but still with the same warm welcoming feel. And more wall space for artworks!

We have added the Intan couples dance ball system... look for the colour changing balls - touch and jump on the balls that appear and then choose your dance/snuggle from the menu.

You can now access the rest of the Gallery space by using the rabbit hole outside the Rooftop's front door... Enter a magical world where you will see things that are only possible in SL.

The Rooftop platform will continue to display a mix of RL inspired and SL artworks for your cultural pleasure.

Please bear with us while we reorganise the sculpture park - within a week we will have somewhere you can relax and snuggle under the stars while listening to your favourite DJ.

Rooftop Club Gallery - time changes

2008-09-08T18:01:00.000-07:00

Due to various commitments the regular Rooftop weekly party has moved to Saturdays 5pm onwards.

The line up for Saturday nights is:
5pm Orly Clowes
7pm Ennui Clip
9pm PirateDucky Constantine
11pm Pasta Vendetta

Dance machine, slow couples dance balls and dance poles available for your moving pleasure, with snuggles on the couches and cushions.

The garden is continuing to mutate and grow... find the baby (her name is Azaria)... ride the roo... look up into the Aussie trees... new art on the walls and spread around the joint... so please have a poke around while you are listening and dancing

Events August/September

2008-08-14T19:42:00.000-07:00

All times and dates are SLT
Rooftop landmark
Out of the Prim landmark
As always there are works and QTI orginals for sale Below The Clouds

Rooftop Club (QTI - RC)
Monday 25 August
5pm - 12pm SLT
DJs Ennui Clip (9pm+), PirateDucky Constantine (7pm-9pm) and Orly Clowes (5pm-7pm)
Eclectic mix of musical styles to officially open the Rooftop Club
Visual Art featured:
Jon Haskell's Australian Fauna Sculpties
quadrapop Lane's RL photos and SL sculpture.

Out of the Prim (QTI - OotP)
Wednesday 27 August
7pm SLT
Quadrapop Lane will introduce the concepts behind this sim.
What it offers artists and content creators.
Discussion on what events will be held and how they will be structured.
QTI residents and community members encouraged to attend to have their say ;-)

Rooftop Club (QTI - RC)
Wednesday 27th August
9pm - 12pm SLT
DJ Blaze will be playing a 3 hour set of goth and punk.... get to the Rooftop and party with the Blue Neko.
Art featured:
Jon Haskell's Australian Fauna
quadrapop Lane's RL photos and SL sculpture.

Rooftop Club (QTI - RC)
Monday 1 September
5pm - 12pm SLT
DJs Ennui Clip, PirateDucky Constantine, Orly Clowes and guest DJ TBA
regular weekly party - come on down and hear something new
New artworks to look at!

Out of the Prim (QTI - OotP)
Wednesday 3 September
7pm SLT
Kolor Fall - PRIMitism... First work sessions will be "Drawing in Space" (i.e. will be making and using a drawing pens)
Series of Interactive Seminars using art-building tools Kolor is developing and/or using in SL.

Upcoming but TBA events:
RC - QTI resident Blaze Dalgleish will be DJing a Goth/punk set
OotP - Bau Ur - Alpha textures in sl
OotP - quadrapop Lane - camera controls tutorial
OotP - quadrapop Lane - how to use glow in your builds
New artworks on display at Rooftop every 2 weeks

DJs and live performers!

If any DJs or live performers would like to utilise the Rooftop for a set please contact Ennui Clip or PirateDucky Constantine. The club comes with a shoutcast stream and a tip jar system. PLease make use of this service - we love to hear you play!Rooftop Club is open 24 hours for your enjoyment.

Rooftop Club - Monday is DJ night

2008-08-08T17:54:00.000-07:00

From 25 August Monday nights (6pm - midnight) will be DJ night at the Rooftop Club - DJs Ennui Clip, PirateDucky Constantine and a guest DJ/performer will be doing eclectic sets for your enjoyment. Come listen, dance and have a great time with the friendly crew at the Rooftop.

Not only do you get music and good company: you can view the works of visual artists, check out the Garage gallery and the Back Yard sculpture area. Quadrapop Lane's photos and Jon Haskell's Aussie animals are currently on display. New feature artists every fortnight.

Remember to have a look at the shopping arcade and the amazing landscape on the ground - TPs in the balls outside the front entrance to the Club.

Content creators - we have 3600sqm residential/studio parcels for rent on a monthly basis with many extras - contact quadrapop Lane in world for more information and a copy of the current covenant

From 25th August Monday nights (SLT) will be one long party at the Rooftop! See you there....

Salons returning soon!

2008-08-06T01:28:00.000-07:00

... to "Out of the Prim" at Quadrapop Tree Isle.

Kolor Fall will be doing a talk soon on a cool tool he has created for drawing in 3 dimensions within SL... before then we will have a seminar looking at the concepts behind the Quadrapop Tree Isle... keep an eye on this space for more info.

Other seminars being held at Quadrapop Tree Isle will include:
- camera controls
- DJing and using Shoutcast in SL
- using landform tools
- reducing your lag

Exact times and dates to be confirmed.

In the meantime come on over and check out the artworks and crazy flora and fauna on this sim. A preview of some of the stuff you will find there at Polysilox's site (thanks for taking pics when I was busy running the sim opening Poly;-).

Other sites to visit on the sim include:
Shopping Arcade - where you can purchase your own copies of the plants and view works by our resident artists
Rooftop Club - a great hangout being run by the energetic Ennui Clip - open mic nights as well as regular sets by inhouse and guest DJs
Under Water display - trippy rainbows and glowy stuff!

Arts Salon - Performing Arts

2008-06-09T00:42:00.000-07:00

Phorkyad Acropolis and Meghamora Woodward talk about their experiences putting on theatre productions in SL and Jubilant Quackenbush talks about her experiences of performance art work in SL

A short session this week as Quadrapop had a RL appointment to get to.

The following transcript has been edited to remove system and script whispers only...

[2008/06/07 17:09] You: welcome to this week's Quadrapop Tree Arts Salon
[2008/06/07 17:09] Noctis Oh smiles
[2008/06/07 17:10] You: Performing Arts - that covers everything from DJs, Musicians, theatre, and ballet in my books
[2008/06/07 17:10] Linc Nefarious is Online
[2008/06/07 17:10] You: today we have Phorkyad Acropolis talking about his experiences putting on theatre in SL
[2008/06/07 17:11] RITCHEY Jacobus: awsome
[2008/06/07 17:11] Octaine Quinnell: Great
[2008/06/07 17:11] Noctis Oh bows
[2008/06/07 17:11] Phorkyad Acropolis: we just closed the Baccahe--minutes ago
[2008/06/07 17:11] You: and I know some of the others here are DJs or work in clubs that host live musicians/DJs
[2008/06/07 17:11] Manx Wharton: whoops~
[2008/06/07 17:12] Alizarin Goldflake: TY!
[2008/06/07 17:12] You: welcome Alazarin
[2008/06/07 17:12] Manx Wharton: should I be seeing some text?
[2008/06/07 17:12] Beta Bates waves hello
[2008/06/07 17:12] Manx Wharton: oh ok hey alizarin
[2008/06/07 17:12] Trip Joffe is Online
[2008/06/07 17:13] Alizarin Goldflake: hi Manx
[2008/06/07 17:13] Alizarin Goldflake: hi Beta
[2008/06/07 17:13] Noctis Oh waves
[2008/06/07 17:13] Manx Wharton: hey beta! long time!
[2008/06/07 17:13] Beta Bates: Hi, Alizarin
[2008/06/07 17:13] Beta Bates: Hi, Manx.
[2008/06/07 17:13] You: hmm the table is not rezzing a new seat :-(
[2008/06/07 17:13] Beta Bates: It has been a while, yah
[2008/06/07 17:13] Alizarin Goldflake: gee i wish my hair would grow back
[2008/06/07 17:13] Alizarin Goldflake: got the sl scuzzies
[2008/06/07 17:13] Manx Wharton: yah hugely.
[2008/06/07 17:14] Alizarin Goldflake: hehe
[2008/06/07 17:14] You: so who would like to start us off with a story about their experiences with performing in SL?
[2008/06/07 17:14] You: you git hair for me hun - though the clothing textures are missing ;-)
[2008/06/07 17:15] Noctis Oh: rebake?
[2008/06/07 17:15] You: brb kids hassling me for breakfast
[2008/06/07 17:15] Noctis Oh: ah
[2008/06/07 17:15] Alizarin Goldflake: i havent seen so many ruthed avis since i logged on 2 years ago
[2008/06/07 17:15] Trip Joffe is Offline
[2008/06/07 17:15] Alizarin Goldflake: this was a singularly bad sl day
[2008/06/07 17:15] Noctis Oh: the rolling restarts for updates do not seem to have improved matters
[2008/06/07 17:15] Manx Wharton: today has been a crashgasm anyway.
[2008/06/07 17:16] Alizarin Goldflake: got any idea why they do this on saturdays?
[2008/06/07 17:16] Octaine Quinnell: Yes Friday night was hellish
[2008/06/07 17:16] Manx Wharton: I was going from one sandbox to the next, just ahead of each restart.
[2008/06/07 17:17] Alizarin Goldflake: well why not do it wednesday
[2008/06/07 17:17] Manx Wharton: I felt like a vagrant.
[2008/06/07 17:17] Noctis Oh: hello linc
[2008/06/07 17:17] Alizarin Goldflake: because --- big business is now entered in
[2008/06/07 17:17] Octaine Quinnell: Hi Linc
[2008/06/07 17:17] Linc Nefarious: hi everyone!
[2008/06/07 17:17] You: back
[2008/06/07 17:17] You: hi linc
[2008/06/07 17:17] Alizarin Goldflake: hi Linc
[2008/06/07 17:17] Jubilant Quackenbush: hi Linc
[2008/06/07 17:18] Manx Wharton: LL needs to wake up and realize that they don't want to be the big biz soln; leave that to disney
[2008/06/07 17:18] Manx Wharton: they have better lawyers for it.
[2008/06/07 17:18] You: yes it is the little individuals who actually make their money for them ...
[2008/06/07 17:18] Manx Wharton: RIGHT

[2008/06/07 17:18] Alizarin Goldflake: well they will lose their charm altogether if they lose their artists
[2008/06/07 17:18] Manx Wharton: classic customer segmentation.
[2008/06/07 17:19] BETLOG Hax is Offline
[2008/06/07 17:19] You: manx any reason we have a zeplin parked in the gallery?
[2008/06/07 17:19] You: lol
[2008/06/07 17:19] Manx Wharton: hehe
[2008/06/07 17:19] Manx Wharton: because the Bugati's in the shop ;)
[2008/06/07 17:19] You: lol
[2008/06/07 17:19] Noctis Oh: :P
[2008/06/07 17:20] Alizarin Goldflake: ok so Quad
[2008/06/07 17:20] Alizarin Goldflake: the topic is?
[2008/06/07 17:20] You: Performing arts - listening to it - playing it - doing it
[2008/06/07 17:20] Alizarin Goldflake: what do you count as performance?
[2008/06/07 17:21] BETLOG Hax is Online
[2008/06/07 17:21] Noctis Oh: no exclusionary criteria, right?
[2008/06/07 17:21] You: Phorkyad is on the phone - he was aboutto tell us about his experiences putting on a theatre production
[2008/06/07 17:21] Alizarin Goldflake: does visual artist fit into the topic?
[2008/06/07 17:21] You: that right noctis
[2008/06/07 17:21] You: only if it is performed lol
[2008/06/07 17:21] Phorkyad Acropolis: oh back--was talking to my actor who crashed right before our performance
[2008/06/07 17:21] You: wb Phorkyad
[2008/06/07 17:21] Manx Wharton: specifically wrt the Bacchae, or more generally?
[2008/06/07 17:21] Linc Nefarious: crashed?
[2008/06/07 17:22] RITCHEY Jacobus: must be frustraiting
[2008/06/07 17:22] You: lots been doing that today
[2008/06/07 17:22] Phorkyad Acropolis: well not crash, internet meltdown more like
[2008/06/07 17:22] Alizarin Goldflake: ok may i have the definition of performing?
[2008/06/07 17:22] You: awww
[2008/06/07 17:22] You: anything where an actual AV has to be present for the work to happen
[2008/06/07 17:22] sandhya2 Patel is Offline
[2008/06/07 17:22] Meghamora Woodward: Yeah - fried cable modem. We were actually quite fortunate during the production as far as crashing actors... up until today!
[2008/06/07 17:22] You: so live DJs musicians actors
[2008/06/07 17:23] Alizarin Goldflake: ok got it
[2008/06/07 17:23] Alizarin Goldflake: you mean avs have to be moving?
[2008/06/07 17:23] You: couls even include living sculptures
[2008/06/07 17:23] Phorkyad Acropolis: and we dont have to talk abotu the Bacchae--general performance is more relevant to more of us I would say
[2008/06/07 17:23] Octaine Quinnell: Perhaps presenting too
[2008/06/07 17:23] You: but I've yet to meet a living sculpture busker in SL lol
[2008/06/07 17:23] Alizarin Goldflake: ugh - my chat is coming out backwards
[2008/06/07 17:23] Manx Wharton: what about art production performances
[2008/06/07 17:23] You: yes
[2008/06/07 17:23] Linc Nefarious: moving...in a poetry recital...its just speaking really
[2008/06/07 17:23] Manx Wharton: assembly processes etc
[2008/06/07 17:24] Octaine Quinnell: Yes - I was offered a roll in one. Have done several rolls in SL movies
[2008/06/07 17:24] You: I think one would have to oiinclude the fourth dimension to be a performance - ie time...
[2008/06/07 17:24] Manx Wharton: caffeine, brb
[2008/06/07 17:24] Beta Bates hides hir bread
[2008/06/07 17:24] Manx Wharton: /afk
[2008/06/07 17:25] Octaine Quinnell: Wheelerwood Movies. American Movie maker
[2008/06/07 17:25] You: sop phorkyad how do you put on a play in sl what does it entail?
[2008/06/07 17:25] Linc Nefarious: hi Oct
[2008/06/07 17:25] Phorkyad Acropolis: well, in many ways it is like RL theatre--scrit selection, auditions, rehearsals...staging, set and costume design
[2008/06/07 17:25] You: movies are a slightly different thing - the video is the finished product not the production process - though it is fun to take part in them
[2008/06/07 17:26] Phorkyad Acropolis: of course it comes out more like a puppet show coupled with radio drama...
[2008/06/07 17:26] Phorkyad Acropolis: so two things I am lookimg at are the technological limitations (and how to work with/around them)
[2008/06/07 17:26] Noctis Oh nods
[2008/06/07 17:27] Phorkyad Acropolis: and the idea of perceived presence--our audience knowing we are real, and responding to us
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[2008/06/07 17:27] Phorkyad Acropolis: since lots of SL perfomance is one way--getting feedback i important
[2008/06/07 17:27] RITCHEY Jacobus: agreed
[2008/06/07 17:27] Phorkyad Acropolis: and if this is being blogged I should probably typebetter!
[2008/06/07 17:27] You: hehe
[2008/06/07 17:27] Jubilant Quackenbush: lol
[2008/06/07 17:27] You: np
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[2008/06/07 17:28] Phorkyad Acropolis: what I also find is interesting is using SL conventions in a performance
[2008/06/07 17:28] Phorkyad Acropolis: so it eems"natural" given the environment
[2008/06/07 17:28] Noctis Oh: context is all :)
[2008/06/07 17:28] Linc Nefarious: what sort of conventions?
[2008/06/07 17:29] You: what do you mean by SL conventions Phorkyad?
[2008/06/07 17:29] Phorkyad Acropolis: well, avatars don;t always move in the direction you want them to--as I found out tonight while standing in for our missing performer
[2008/06/07 17:30] Alizarin Goldflake: sl was very bad today
[2008/06/07 17:30] Phorkyad Acropolis: so using pose balls to get an actor at a particular place; or watching the words /hug Cadmus appear during a show
[2008/06/07 17:30] Phorkyad Acropolis: these thingsare a part of everyay SL, so it seems natural to use them
[2008/06/07 17:30] You: welcome Wheelerwood
[2008/06/07 17:30] Wheelerwood Oppewall: ty
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[2008/06/07 17:30] Phorkyad Acropolis: I also had Dionysus, a god, teleport in and fly....because he CAN
[2008/06/07 17:31] You: hehe\
[2008/06/07 17:31] You: so in some ways SL is more fun to put on a production than in RL as you can do all the special effects in real time ;_)
[2008/06/07 17:31] Manx Wharton: it was a pretty hot andro dionysus btw. :D
[2008/06/07 17:32] Phorkyad Acropolis: well, theoretically, but they are certainly cheaper...when the house caught fire, the fire appeared on cue
[2008/06/07 17:32] Manx Wharton: esp with the bull head. :O
[2008/06/07 17:32] Noctis Oh grins
[2008/06/07 17:32] Wheelerwood Oppewall: :)
[2008/06/07 17:32] You: :-)
[2008/06/07 17:32] RITCHEY Jacobus: brb
[2008/06/07 17:33] Octaine Quinnell: How big can the audience get before lag effects the performance
[2008/06/07 17:33] Phorkyad Acropolis: eh, well...
[2008/06/07 17:33] Phorkyad Acropolis: we hd eight actors and two tech people...with an audience of 20 were mostly okay
[2008/06/07 17:33] Phorkyad Acropolis: Megh, would you agree?
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[2008/06/07 17:34] Meghamora Woodward: Yeah, I'd say so - it was kind of dependent on what else was going on.
[2008/06/07 17:34] Meghamora Woodward: I think we had a bigger audience on Wednesday, and lag wasn't affecting me at all... but that wasn't the case for a few of the actors.
[2008/06/07 17:34] Phorkyad Acropolis: yes, of course their own machines make a differences...
[2008/06/07 17:35] Meghamora Woodward: When there were 44 people on the sim, it was pretty laggy for everyone. But it did clear, eventually.
[2008/06/07 17:35] Phorkyad Acropolis: my alt attended tonight's performance so he could watch from the house for me
[2008/06/07 17:35] You: lag is usually more at the client end - and that is mostly caused by the AVs and all their attachments your client is trying to rez
[2008/06/07 17:35] Octaine Quinnell: Yes and that would make it difficult for timing
[2008/06/07 17:35] Phorkyad Acropolis: but the fire appeared grey for a Loooong time
[2008/06/07 17:36] Linc Nefarious: was there voice chat in this production?
[2008/06/07 17:36] Phorkyad Acropolis: we used voice chat for dialgoue, then Ihad music on the audio stream for music and sound effects
[2008/06/07 17:36] Noctis Oh: have you had difficulty with audience "participation"?
[2008/06/07 17:36] You: and was there text of the dialogue as well?
[2008/06/07 17:37] Phorkyad Acropolis: weran a ine reader, so anyone could read along
[2008/06/07 17:37] You: for those who cant do voice?
[2008/06/07 17:37] You: great
[2008/06/07 17:37] Manx Wharton: phork, I was wondering if you'd be able to discuss how you accounted for during-show crashes, when the VC kept rolling.
[2008/06/07 17:37] Phorkyad Acropolis: but so far I have resisted open mics for audience for immediate feedback
[2008/06/07 17:37] Phorkyad Acropolis: fortunately no one crashed DURING
[2008/06/07 17:37] Manx Wharton: I mean in the audience.
[2008/06/07 17:38] Manx Wharton: sorry! :D
[2008/06/07 17:38] Phorkyad Acropolis: we have had lien reader lag so it jumped lines, scenes reordered them
[2008/06/07 17:38] Phorkyad Acropolis: ah, I couldnt keep track of audience crashes!
[2008/06/07 17:38] You: ouch
[2008/06/07 17:38] Octaine Quinnell: brb
[2008/06/07 17:38] Manx Wharton: true, but with VC still live
[2008/06/07 17:38] Phorkyad Acropolis: though I did monitor audience size and it was fairly consistent
[2008/06/07 17:38] Manx Wharton: did you try to capitalize on the audio component more?
[2008/06/07 17:39] Manx Wharton: kind of like a radio show?
[2008/06/07 17:39] Phorkyad Acropolis: well voice chat is perfect for theatre presentation--but i had thi splan
[2008/06/07 17:39] Phorkyad Acropolis: to record the choral odes and mix them with the music to play on the audio stream
[2008/06/07 17:39] Phorkyad Acropolis: that way the chorus would not be localized but everywhere
[2008/06/07 17:40] Phorkyad Acropolis: unfortunately the recordings of each chorus member with different mics, etc made the levels too different for a consistent recording
[2008/06/07 17:40] Wheelerwood Oppewall: question
[2008/06/07 17:40] Wheelerwood Oppewall: are you doing the show live or recording and playing later
[2008/06/07 17:41] Phorkyad Acropolis: live
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[2008/06/07 17:41] Wheelerwood Oppewall: k
[2008/06/07 17:41] Phorkyad Acropolis: recorded music and sound effects
[2008/06/07 17:41] Linc Nefarious: is voice a requirement you think, will audiencesa accept a produciton with just text?
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[2008/06/07 17:41] Phorkyad Acropolis: I think it depends on what it is...and what other elements are in place
[2008/06/07 17:41] Manx Wharton: the text tends to pile up I think.
[2008/06/07 17:42] You: is this the first production you have put on in SL?
[2008/06/07 17:42] Phorkyad Acropolis: I did a one act piece last summer called THE PERM--two actors
[2008/06/07 17:42] Noctis Oh: quite a difference
[2008/06/07 17:42] Phorkyad Acropolis: and have done some spoken word performances in between
[2008/06/07 17:43] Phorkyad Acropolis: Megh has also done some mixed reality performance
[2008/06/07 17:43] Meghamora Woodward: Yes - I've done RL performance that incorporates SL via video projector. Basically, I act in RL with me in SL as my costar.
[2008/06/07 17:44] Phorkyad Acropolis: I am hoping she will bring that to SL this summer
[2008/06/07 17:44] Meghamora Woodward: As soon as I figure out how to bring RL me into SL properly. ;)
[2008/06/07 17:44] You: hehe summer - it is winter where i am...
[2008/06/07 17:44] You: via video?
[2008/06/07 17:44] Phorkyad Acropolis: I am off from teaching for 3.5 months--glorious summer...
[2008/06/07 17:44] Octaine Quinnell: back sorry
[2008/06/07 17:44] Phorkyad Acropolis smiles
[2008/06/07 17:45] You: wb Oct
[2008/06/07 17:45] Meghamora Woodward: Video would be nice, but I'm not sure the streaming technology is up to the kind of timing I have in mind - back and forth dialogue.
[2008/06/07 17:45] You: ah i see
[2008/06/07 17:45] Noctis Oh: sounds a challenge
[2008/06/07 17:45] RITCHEY Jacobus: indeed
[2008/06/07 17:45] Wheelerwood Oppewall: and $$
[2008/06/07 17:45] Meghamora Woodward: I will probably end up using morphing avatars - one shape like the one you see now, another that's representative of my RL self - with symbolic things like pictures of my RL surroundings...
[2008/06/07 17:46] Phorkyad Acropolis: so again, we have to find creative ways to do things if the technology slows us down (even literally with lag!)
[2008/06/07 17:47] Wheelerwood Oppewall: Are your performances shot on the ground or in the sky
[2008/06/07 17:47] You: we all have to work within the limits of the technology we are using to mediate our art
[2008/06/07 17:47] You: have you had a live video made of any of the performances?
[2008/06/07 17:48] Manx Wharton: well, art is the process of creation, and craft is the deft production against constraints.
[2008/06/07 17:48] Noctis Oh: interesting definitions
[2008/06/07 17:48] You: nice definition manx
[2008/06/07 17:48] Manx Wharton: so SLers tend to get crafty.
[2008/06/07 17:48] Phorkyad Acropolis: not sure what you emean by shot in sky or gorund?
[2008/06/07 17:48] Octaine Quinnell: Yes
[2008/06/07 17:48] Wheelerwood Oppewall: I have found in my filming if I have my sets over 300 meters it reduces lag greatly
[2008/06/07 17:48] Octaine Quinnell: Had that debate the other night
[2008/06/07 17:48] Phorkyad Acropolis: we have done some video clips: http://musofyr.com/bacchae.html
[2008/06/07 17:49] You: :-) great!
[2008/06/07 17:49] RITCHEY Jacobus: sorry every one i have to go great to meet you all and thank u quad
[2008/06/07 17:49] Phorkyad Acropolis: bye Ritchey
[2008/06/07 17:49] Meghamora Woodward: My RL performance had the SL component in a skybox 750 meters in the sky... which actually disappointed some of my audience members; they didn't want to see just my avatar - they wanted to see more of the world surrounding her.
[2008/06/07 17:49] RITCHEY Jacobus: bye all
[2008/06/07 17:49] Jubilant Quackenbush: bye Ritchey
[2008/06/07 17:49] Meghamora Woodward: Bye, Ritchey!
[2008/06/07 17:49] Wheelerwood Oppewall: bye
[2008/06/07 17:49] Noctis Oh: bbye
[2008/06/07 17:49] Manx Wharton: cya richey
[2008/06/07 17:49] You: bye Ritchey
[2008/06/07 17:50] You shout: welcome Willow!
[2008/06/07 17:50] Wheelerwood Oppewall: then use a holodeck soundstage
[2008/06/07 17:50] Phorkyad Acropolis: I had bulders create the Greek Theater as an educational location, btu also for performance
[2008/06/07 17:51] Phorkyad Acropolis: it sits at the edge of the ocean, and so the seaward vista has less lag
[2008/06/07 17:51] You: or get a builder to build you an environment
[2008/06/07 17:51] Phorkyad Acropolis: or so I have been told!
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[2008/06/07 17:51] Manx Wharton: you know, with the graphic lag issues, why do they bother constraining our group titles to some stunted length. Those LLers. :|
[2008/06/07 17:52] You: it depends how big a draw distance your audience member has - if they have their draw distance at 500m then they will lag - unless they are on a big kick ass machine
[2008/06/07 17:52] Will0w Anatra: Hello.
[2008/06/07 17:52] Manx Wharton: hi willow
[2008/06/07 17:52] You: hi willow
[2008/06/07 17:52] You: welcoem to the quadrapop tree
[2008/06/07 17:52] Will0w Anatra: Thanks.
[2008/06/07 17:52] Wheelerwood Oppewall: Hello
[2008/06/07 17:52] Will0w Anatra: It's my first time here.
[2008/06/07 17:52] Noctis Oh: welcome, mine as well :)
[2008/06/07 17:53] Beta Bates: Mine too
[2008/06/07 17:53] Manx Wharton: well, first timers are required to recite longfellow nude. come on, hop to it
[2008/06/07 17:53] You: you are invisible to me Willow ;-)
[2008/06/07 17:53] Jubilant Quackenbush: mine three
[2008/06/07 17:53] You: Manx! lol
[2008/06/07 17:53] Will0w Anatra: Um. Okay. Hold on.
[2008/06/07 17:53] Noctis Oh: I'll do it
[2008/06/07 17:53] Noctis Oh grins
[2008/06/07 17:53] Will0w Anatra: Better? I'm in the teal chair behind you.
[2008/06/07 17:53] Phorkyad Acropolis: Longfellow Nude? I am unfamiliar with him and his poems...
[2008/06/07 17:54] Manx Wharton: that's the spirit noctis! :D
[2008/06/07 17:54] Noctis Oh snorts
[2008/06/07 17:54] You: ah now you rez ;-)
[2008/06/07 17:54] Will0w Anatra: :) Yay rebake.
[2008/06/07 17:54] Will0w Anatra: Are most people here actively doing and showing art in SL?
[2008/06/07 17:54] Manx Wharton: oh, right--I was talking about the, uhm, poet
[2008/06/07 17:54] Octaine Quinnell: Yes
[2008/06/07 17:55] Noctis Oh: the um poet is right
[2008/06/07 17:55] You: yes we are Willow - some are visual others music and others theatre
[2008/06/07 17:55] You: oh and movies;-)
[2008/06/07 17:55] Manx Wharton: and poets
[2008/06/07 17:55] Noctis Oh: and some of us perform in other ways :)
[2008/06/07 17:55] Manx Wharton: and chefs
[2008/06/07 17:55] You: and poets - that right
[2008/06/07 17:55] Manx Wharton: and con artists.
[2008/06/07 17:55] Wheelerwood Oppewall: lag is our muse
[2008/06/07 17:56] Will0w Anatra nods. I'm a performer with a dance and performance art background in rl, but haven't done much here.
[2008/06/07 17:56] Jubilant Quackenbush: I was part of a performance piece involving giving birth in SL after a 9 week pregnancy
[2008/06/07 17:56] Octaine Quinnell: hehe
[2008/06/07 17:56] Will0w Anatra: Really?
[2008/06/07 17:56] Octaine Quinnell: Yuk
[2008/06/07 17:56] Will0w Anatra: Cool.
[2008/06/07 17:56] Will0w Anatra: (I did one during my actual 8th month of pregnancy...)
[2008/06/07 17:56] Linc Nefarious: dance would be a hard thing to do in SL.
[2008/06/07 17:56] Octaine Quinnell: I get to see the RL thing in a few months
[2008/06/07 17:56] Noctis Oh: it was a lovely performance
[2008/06/07 17:56] You: wow is that what it was all about!
[2008/06/07 17:56] Will0w Anatra: Cool.
[2008/06/07 17:57] Manx Wharton: I suppose you didn't go C. :D
[2008/06/07 17:57] Jubilant Quackenbush: Wel, I am not able to get pregnant in RL
[2008/06/07 17:57] Will0w Anatra: What kind of performance? Physical? Dance? Words? Mix?
[2008/06/07 17:57] quadrapop Lane has done the RL thing 3 times - that was enough...
[2008/06/07 17:57] Will0w Anatra grins.
[2008/06/07 17:57] Phorkyad Acropolis: WillOw you may want to findd Kim Pasternak in SL who is doing dance project...
[2008/06/07 17:57] Jubilant Quackenbush: and so I did it in SL
[2008/06/07 17:57] Will0w Anatra nods.
[2008/06/07 17:57] You: that is what SL is for - doing what we cant in RL
[2008/06/07 17:57] You: well one of the things anyway
[2008/06/07 17:58] Will0w Anatra: It's interesting to see so many parents out here...I know that this is my night out that I don't get other wise now that our daughter is here.
[2008/06/07 17:58] Octaine Quinnell: True
[2008/06/07 17:58] Manx Wharton: yes, like violating mountain goats.
[2008/06/07 17:58] Manx Wharton pulls himself together
[2008/06/07 17:58] Jubilant Quackenbush: and for the actual birth, my friend whi got pregnant in SL with me and I gave birth to an audience
[2008/06/07 17:58] Will0w Anatra: Nice, paintings, btw, Manx.
[2008/06/07 17:58] Manx Wharton: wtyvm
[2008/06/07 17:58] Will0w Anatra: For real?
[2008/06/07 17:58] You: how did that go Jubi?
[2008/06/07 17:58] Jubilant Quackenbush: we had an artist build a auditorium filled with water
[2008/06/07 17:58] Jubilant Quackenbush: for water birth
[2008/06/07 17:58] Manx Wharton: ms willow
[2008/06/07 17:58] Octaine Quinnell: Cool
[2008/06/07 17:59] Jubilant Quackenbush: we found labor pain animations
[2008/06/07 17:59] You: done that 3 times only way to go in rl
[2008/06/07 17:59] Jubilant Quackenbush: and built prim infaants
[2008/06/07 17:59] Jubilant Quackenbush: there was another level to it
[2008/06/07 18:00] Jubilant Quackenbush: becuse we were both giving birth to unused furry herm alts...
[2008/06/07 18:00] You: hehe
[2008/06/07 18:00] Jubilant Quackenbush: turned the pregnancy into a way of bringin them to life
[2008/06/07 18:00] Manx Wharton: yaaahhh.
[2008/06/07 18:00] Manx Wharton: :O
[2008/06/07 18:01] Noctis Oh grins
[2008/06/07 18:01] Noctis Oh: selfproducing selfhood
[2008/06/07 18:01] Octaine Quinnell: Sorry all I have to leave - RL calls. Or naggs. :)
[2008/06/07 18:01] You: mmm coffee... sorry folks but I will have to leavein a few minutes - please feel free to continue your discussion
[2008/06/07 18:01] Noctis Oh: :P
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[2008/06/07 18:01] Jubilant Quackenbush: bye Oct
[2008/06/07 18:01] You: poor Oct - it will only get worse ty for coming
[2008/06/07 18:02] You: so are you now using the alts you "birthed"
[2008/06/07 18:02] Jubilant Quackenbush: yes we are
[2008/06/07 18:02] Will0w Anatra waves. Nice to meet you.
[2008/06/07 18:02] You: wb beta
[2008/06/07 18:02] Will0w Anatra: That is completely interesting.
[2008/06/07 18:02] Octaine Quinnell is Offline
[2008/06/07 18:02] Beta Bates: Thanks.
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[2008/06/07 18:02] Manx Wharton: great seeing you willow
[2008/06/07 18:02] Beta Bates: Crashycrashiness.
[2008/06/07 18:02] Noctis Oh: wb
[2008/06/07 18:02] Jubilant Quackenbush: weebee Betaluv
[2008/06/07 18:02] Beta Bates: Thanks, Jubidear.
[2008/06/07 18:03] Will0w Anatra: Oh...not leaving. Saying bye to Octaine.
[2008/06/07 18:03] Noctis Oh: so jubi, what was it like for you to perform the actual labor in front of an audience?
[2008/06/07 18:03] Jubilant Quackenbush: the public nature of the birth also helped the pregnancy itself not be... anticlimactic
[2008/06/07 18:04] Jubilant Quackenbush: it was quite movning actually
[2008/06/07 18:04] You: how many in the audience?
[2008/06/07 18:04] Will0w Anatra: Perhaps I'm missing something...was the actual labor broadcast into sl as well?
[2008/06/07 18:04] Beta Bates: 30+, I think?
[2008/06/07 18:04] Beta Bates: It was a solely SL pregancy, Will0w
[2008/06/07 18:04] Jubilant Quackenbush: the labor was in SL Willow
[2008/06/07 18:04] Will0w Anatra: Ah.
[2008/06/07 18:04] Will0w Anatra: Okay.
[2008/06/07 18:05] Jubilant Quackenbush: I can't get pregnant in RL
[2008/06/07 18:05] Will0w Anatra nods.
[2008/06/07 18:05] Will0w Anatra: Okay, missed that. Apologies.
[2008/06/07 18:05] Noctis Oh smiles
[2008/06/07 18:05] Jubilant Quackenbush: it was not simply role-playing for me
[2008/06/07 18:06] You decline alt7 - Alternative Music / Indie, Pomponio (32, 89, 71) from A group member named Therese Slade.
[2008/06/07 18:06] Will0w Anatra nods, agreeing completely.
[2008/06/07 18:06] Jubilant Quackenbush: it was a way to express and virtually embody a deep desire
[2008/06/07 18:06] Manx Wharton: right. part of the performance art immersion is an exploration beyond role itself.
[2008/06/07 18:06] Will0w Anatra: It sounds absolutely gorgeous.
[2008/06/07 18:07] Jubilant Quackenbush: the audience was moved too
[2008/06/07 18:07] Manx Wharton: I'm sorry I missed this
[2008/06/07 18:07] Jubilant Quackenbush: and many came to an after party where they were able to rock the babies in thier arms....
[2008/06/07 18:07] Manx Wharton: academically and artistically and Slistically interesting in several respects.
[2008/06/07 18:07] Beta Bates: Awwww, indeed.
[2008/06/07 18:07] Noctis Oh: I have the info card if anyone wants it
[2008/06/07 18:07] You: me too - I saw you growing at fracture but did not realise it was part of an ongoing artwork
[2008/06/07 18:07] Jubilant Quackenbush: most had emotional reactions to that as well
[2008/06/07 18:07] Beta Bates: I'm scanning my drive for the pics I know I took of it.
[2008/06/07 18:08] You: please Noctis
[2008/06/07 18:08] Manx Wharton: man, I need to hit fracture more.
[2008/06/07 18:08] Noctis Oh gave you The Labor Project--Information.
[2008/06/07 18:08] Beta Bates giggles
[2008/06/07 18:08] Noctis Oh nods seriously
[2008/06/07 18:08] You: ty Noctis
[2008/06/07 18:08] Manx Wharton: :D
[2008/06/07 18:09] Manx Wharton: tx noctis
[2008/06/07 18:09] Noctis Oh nods
[2008/06/07 18:09] You: Sorry folks I have to leave... rl meeting to attend... the next Salon will be on July 6th
[2008/06/07 18:09] You: I'm away fromt he net in a fortnight ;-)
[2008/06/07 18:09] Beta Bates: Awww, Quad
[2008/06/07 18:09] Manx Wharton: looking fwd to it
[2008/06/07 18:09] Jubilant Quackenbush: thank you quadropop
[2008/06/07 18:09] Noctis Oh: rl holiday>?
[2008/06/07 18:09] Meghamora Woodward: Thank you for having us, Quadrapop! :)
[2008/06/07 18:09] Manx Wharton: have a good one quad
[2008/06/07 18:09] You: yes:-))
[2008/06/07 18:09] Beta Bates: Hope it's for a good cause.
[2008/06/07 18:10] You: yw anytime all of you
[2008/06/07 18:10] Will0w Anatra: Lovely to meet you, Quadrapop.
[2008/06/07 18:11] You: TY Phorkyad, Megh and Jubi for sharing your experiences in SL - please continue the discussion if you wish... I will leave myav here to catch any further text
[2008/06/07 18:11] You: you too willow
[2008/06/07 18:11] Linc Nefarious: thanks quad
[2008/06/07 18:11] You: afk
[2008/06/07 18:11] Phorkyad Acropolis: sure you ar ewelcome
[2008/06/07 18:11] Noctis Oh waves
[2008/06/07 18:11] Will0w Anatra: I should go, as well. Thanks so much for the notecard, Noctis.
[2008/06/07 18:11] Noctis Oh: surely
[2008/06/07 18:11] Manx Wharton: great talk gang. this one of those practical creative-work discussions that we could do more with ISL
[2008/06/07 18:11] Will0w Anatra: This is incredibly interesting...I"ve been searching around for good art and performance for a while now.
[2008/06/07 18:12] Will0w Anatra: Please keep in touch.
[2008/06/07 18:12] Kilara Balnarring is Offline
[2008/06/07 18:12] You: afk
[2008/06/07 18:12] Manx Wharton: shall indeed willow
[2008/06/07 18:12] Jubilant Quackenbush: Phorkyad and Meghamora... how can I be notified of your next performances
[2008/06/07 18:13] Linc Nefarious: the Australian Film Television and Radio School has a presence in SL. they would be doing some pretty interesting work I imagine
[2008/06/07 18:13] Phorkyad Acropolis: I have a group if you would like to join
[2008/06/07 18:13] Noctis Oh bows to willow
[2008/06/07 18:14] Manx Wharton: oh I have a group too! notices about really messed-up things going on and general misbehavior.
[2008/06/07 18:14] Beta Bates: Such as.....?
[2008/06/07 18:14] Beta Bates: I saw that in your profile and was wondering, Manx.
[2008/06/07 18:14] Manx Wharton: for example: tonight is a 'beta ride' in that dirigible overhead.
[2008/06/07 18:14] Beta Bates: Um?
[2008/06/07 18:14] Noctis Oh mews
[2008/06/07 18:15] Manx Wharton: It's the FREAKOUT, BETA! :D
[2008/06/07 18:15] Beta Bates crosses hir legs
[2008/06/07 18:15] Noctis Oh: eep
[2008/06/07 18:15] Beta Bates: Yah.
[2008/06/07 18:17] Jubilant Quackenbush: sorry, looking for another group to drop so I can join Meghamora's
[2008/06/07 18:17] Noctis Oh: so, thanks all. . .
[2008/06/07 18:17] Manx Wharton: hang on.
[2008/06/07 18:17] Meghamora Woodward: I keep running into that problem, too. *sighs*
[2008/06/07 18:18] Manx Wharton: art events, bizarre music things, NPIRL stuff, weird infrastructure here ISL---kind of out there but straight but
[2008/06/07 18:18] Manx Wharton: surreal without realizing it.
[2008/06/07 18:19] Manx Wharton: that and comrades in art post things they have going.
[2008/06/07 18:19] Jubilant Quackenbush: ok Megh, good to go
[2008/06/07 18:19] Jubilant Quackenbush: invite me to your group?
[2008/06/07 18:19] Manx Wharton: just a big clearinghouse of the distinctive.
[2008/06/07 18:20] Jubilant Quackenbush: Thanks hun
[2008/06/07 18:20] Jubilant Quackenbush: thanx Manx
[2008/06/07 18:20] Noctis Oh: very well, all, my thanks for the meeting
[2008/06/07 18:20] Manx Wharton: def you bet!
[2008/06/07 18:20] Noctis Oh: lovley evening to all
[2008/06/07 18:20] Manx Wharton: great visit noctis. ;)
[2008/06/07 18:21] Meghamora Woodward: You're welcome - thank you for joining! :)
[2008/06/07 18:21] Jubilant Quackenbush: time for me to go too
[2008/06/07 18:21] Jubilant Quackenbush: thanks everyone
[2008/06/07 18:21] Noctis Oh bows to manx
[2008/06/07 18:21] Linc Nefarious: im going to head off also. thanks for the discussion everyone. some really interesting issues were discussed.
[2008/06/07 18:21] Manx Wharton: great seeing you linc.
[2008/06/07 18:21] Noctis Oh: must jet, my thanks to all
[2008/06/07 18:21] Manx Wharton: cheers
[2008/06/07 18:22] Linc Nefarious: nice to see you Manx. take care
[2008/06/07 18:22] Manx Wharton: EVERYBODY TYPE ON PHORK!
[2008/06/07 18:22] Manx Wharton: hehe
[2008/06/07 18:22] Phorkyad Acropolis: hey~
[2008/06/07 18:22] Phorkyad Acropolis: on phone again
[2008/06/07 18:22] Meghamora Woodward thinks we should be allowed to sit on afk avatars.
[2008/06/07 18:22] Manx Wharton: you around later quad? want to take a ride on The Magus?
[2008/06/07 18:22] Linc Nefarious is Offline
[2008/06/07 18:23] You: CC here - Quad is gone - will be gone for 7+ hours. (she has a Certification Course today)
[2008/06/07 18:24] Manx Wharton: oh sorry! haha
[2008/06/07 18:24] You: np.
[2008/06/07 18:24] Manx Wharton: best of luck to her then
[2008/06/07 18:24] Manx Wharton: AND GET OUT OF QUAD'S BODY YOU FREAK! haha
[2008/06/07 18:24] Phorkyad Acropolis: well, see you all
[2008/06/07 18:24] Manx Wharton: cyall phork
[2008/06/07 18:25] Meghamora Woodward: Goodnight! :)
[2008/06/07 18:25] Manx Wharton: hey btw I'm a friend of Perse.
[2008/06/07 18:25] Manx Wharton: Persephone Phoenix
[2008/06/07 18:25] You: LoL. Thanks Manx - I can see why she likes you ...
[2008/06/07 18:25] Meghamora Woodward: Oh, cool! I remembered her saying hello to you when you came to see us. :)
[2008/06/07 18:25] Manx Wharton: haha oh GAWD
[2008/06/07 18:26] Meghamora Woodward: Have a good evening!
[2008/06/07 18:26] Manx Wharton: u2

QT Arts Salon: Performing Arts

2008-06-05T18:03:00.000-07:00

This week the Quadrapop Tree Arts Salon will be looking at the performing arts in SL... everything from Live DJs and musicians to ballet and theatre. If you have an interest in any of these - either as a performer or audience member come along and share your stories and experiences.

PS there will be no Salon on 21 June as Quadrapop will be away from the net that weekend...

Arts Salon Saturday 24 May 5pm SLT

2008-05-26T21:31:00.000-07:00

The following is the transcript of the second Arts Salon held at the Quadrapop Tree Gallery in Pelinor in SecondLife.

The Transcript has been edited for removal of stats warnings etc only.

If any of the participants require the removal of their contributions/presence please contact Quadrapop Lane in world.

[2008/05/24 17:14] You: well welcome to this weeks Salon on RL art in SL
[2008/05/24 17:14] You: feel free to ask quaetsions or talk about any issues you have regarding RL art in SL
[2008/05/24 17:14] RITCHEY Jacobus: okay
[2008/05/24 17:15] RITCHEY Jacobus: may i tell you what happened to me
[2008/05/24 17:15] Octaine Quinnell: Yep
[2008/05/24 17:15] You: I know Ritchey uses SL as an extension of his online painting sales
[2008/05/24 17:15] You: please do Ritchey - I'm glad you came
[2008/05/24 17:15] Octaine Quinnell: Oh
[2008/05/24 17:16] You shout: WElcome Ray - come join us
[2008/05/24 17:16] You: graba seat - plenty for all
[2008/05/24 17:17] RITCHEY Jacobus is Offline
[2008/05/24 17:17] You: oops ritchey crashed
[2008/05/24 17:17] Ray Holgado: hello all
[2008/05/24 17:17] Nimbus Rau: out of curiosity, is anyone else not seeing the avatars here loaded properly? I'm seeing people made of grey playdoh, and white misty unrezzed clouds.
[2008/05/24 17:17] White Lebed: hey
[2008/05/24 17:17] You: welcome to teh quadrapop Tree and the Salon
[2008/05/24 17:17] Octaine Quinnell: Yes me too
[2008/05/24 17:17] You: yep me too Nimbus
[2008/05/24 17:17] RITCHEY Jacobus is Online
[2008/05/24 17:17] White Lebed: I can see only my avatar rezzed
[2008/05/24 17:17] You: SL is doing its usual weirdness
[2008/05/24 17:18] Ray Holgado: its called lag
[2008/05/24 17:18] Nimbus Rau: ah, ok, it's not just me then.
[2008/05/24 17:18] You: you are mostly rezzed for me NImbus
[2008/05/24 17:18] Octaine Quinnell: I can't res my clothing item either
[2008/05/24 17:18] RITCHEY Jacobus: hmmm
[2008/05/24 17:18] RITCHEY Jacobus: back
[2008/05/24 17:18] You: wb Ritchey
[2008/05/24 17:18] White Lebed: do we have to look at something?
[2008/05/24 17:18] Nimbus Rau: ah well, the white clouds are more interesting than Ruths, at least.
[2008/05/24 17:18] You: lol
[2008/05/24 17:18] White Lebed: we can treat it as an yahoo art chat room
[2008/05/24 17:19] Juanita Deharo: WOOPS LOL
[2008/05/24 17:19] You: welcome Juanita
[2008/05/24 17:19] RITCHEY Jacobus: hi juanita
[2008/05/24 17:19] Juanita Deharo: HI ALL
[2008/05/24 17:19] Octaine Quinnell: I had temp res advertising textures the other night - very strange. I thought I had picked up a bad script
[2008/05/24 17:19] You: Ritchey was about to tell us of his experiences with RL art in SL
[2008/05/24 17:19] Octaine Quinnell: Hi Juanita
[2008/05/24 17:20] Juanita Deharo: HI OCTAINE
[2008/05/24 17:20] elros Tuominen is Offline
[2008/05/24 17:20] Juanita Deharo: woops sorry didnt mean to shout
[2008/05/24 17:20] Octaine Quinnell: hehe
[2008/05/24 17:20] RITCHEY Jacobus: yes any way juanita i was telling them about the issue the other week
[2008/05/24 17:20] You: (and then he crashed before we heard it)
[2008/05/24 17:20] Juanita Deharo: yes - how does one prove anything on the internet/ let alone SL
[2008/05/24 17:20] RITCHEY Jacobus: i was removed from a show for stealing my art from my web site
[2008/05/24 17:21] Linc Nefarious is Online
[2008/05/24 17:21] White Lebed: lol
[2008/05/24 17:21] White Lebed: how so?
[2008/05/24 17:21] You: oh that is rich...
[2008/05/24 17:21] Octaine Quinnell: Yes very hard that one Juanita
[2008/05/24 17:21] Juanita Deharo: It's an interesting question though - how does an avatar prove which real life person they are?
[2008/05/24 17:22] You: did you get that one sorted out or just give up?
[2008/05/24 17:22] Octaine Quinnell: What was that Quad
[2008/05/24 17:22] RITCHEY Jacobus: no i couldnt be bothereed i have 4 of my own gallerys on sl
[2008/05/24 17:22] Juanita Deharo: I was the curator of the show Quad and it was withdrawn - not just Ritchey's work but the whole show
[2008/05/24 17:22] RITCHEY Jacobus: yes
[2008/05/24 17:23] Juanita Deharo: but it raises interesting questions doesnt it
[2008/05/24 17:23] Octaine Quinnell: Yes I am still angry about that too Juanita
[2008/05/24 17:23] You: I know Juanita I was part of it
[2008/05/24 17:23] Ray Holgado: I am not Ray Holgado in RL
[2008/05/24 17:23] RITCHEY Jacobus: but no one would come to me to variffy
[2008/05/24 17:23] Linc Nefarious: hello everyone
[2008/05/24 17:24] Ray Holgado: I could pretend to be Ricthey's real life persona
[2008/05/24 17:24] You: welcome Linc
[2008/05/24 17:24] RITCHEY Jacobus: hi linc
[2008/05/24 17:24] Ray Holgado: as well as he does probably
[2008/05/24 17:24] You: graba seat
[2008/05/24 17:24] White Lebed: well I deliberately separated my rl art from sl art - they have no connection at all - my objects here are pure SL creations - makes life easy
[2008/05/24 17:24] Octaine Quinnell: The Australian copyright Council has a real Grey area for proof of ownership
[2008/05/24 17:24] Octaine Quinnell: Yes well - White that seems to be the popular thing to do in SL
[2008/05/24 17:24] RITCHEY Jacobus: yes on my web site i have links to sl and the person making the clame could have contacted me
[2008/05/24 17:25] White Lebed: I love the possibilities to do here stuff that I can only think about in rl - why upload rl stuff? let it be real
[2008/05/24 17:25] Juanita Deharo: there are all sorts of ways that might have been checked - there were websites embedded in the painitngs and a notecard giver - itwas just mischevous
[2008/05/24 17:25] Octaine Quinnell: It does not help artists like Ritchey and myself who use SL to promote our RL art though
[2008/05/24 17:25] You: seems silly - you have been doing this for some time and even have sl resiendts who have purchased your RL works via the website after seeing it in sl...
[2008/05/24 17:25] Ray Holgado: But how can Ritchey prove he is Ritchet Sealy?
[2008/05/24 17:25] RITCHEY Jacobus: no im using sl as a web tool to ppromote my art globaly
[2008/05/24 17:26] Linc Nefarious: I like the idea of buying an SL artwork and getting the RL one also
[2008/05/24 17:26] You: buy one of his works and see...
[2008/05/24 17:26] White Lebed: if you come with open identity and put your rl information, do blogs etc - it is not a problem, right?
[2008/05/24 17:26] RITCHEY Jacobus: all my group notices are directed at ritchey sealy and my web site and rl contacts
[2008/05/24 17:27] Octaine Quinnell: Oh - that is how Crossworlds works
[2008/05/24 17:27] Ray Holgado: in your case becuase you are selling rl work as well it seems pretty clear
[2008/05/24 17:27] You: Crossworlds?
[2008/05/24 17:27] Ray Holgado: but what if I just copied some stuff and said it was mine
[2008/05/24 17:27] Ray Holgado: how could I prove I was that person?
[2008/05/24 17:27] Octaine Quinnell: Gallery run by fabillene
[2008/05/24 17:28] RITCHEY Jacobus: yes thatsiv see it happen
[2008/05/24 17:28] Ray Holgado: I saw some Aboriginal work at Cetus
[2008/05/24 17:28] Ray Holgado: clealry copied from the net
[2008/05/24 17:28] You: now that would be easy to prove - Ricthey can provide proof of copyright ownership - if you simply pull it off the web lawyers would npt nbe able to see RL physical object to correspond
[2008/05/24 17:28] Ray Holgado: and attributed to one artist
[2008/05/24 17:29] Ray Holgado: I couls say I had sold the object Quad
[2008/05/24 17:29] You: yes I am uneasy about Aboriginal works being used in SL
[2008/05/24 17:29] White Lebed: I learned long time ago - if you art is any good it will be copied in one way or another or openliy stolen, no way around it
[2008/05/24 17:29] Ray Holgado: The owner had a story - but it was concocted
[2008/05/24 17:29] You: biut Ray if you are the real artist you would have other works or working drawings
[2008/05/24 17:29] Ray Holgado: It took me a lot of work to find em on the net but I did
[2008/05/24 17:29] White Lebed: I prefer to use my energy to creat new instead of defending old
[2008/05/24 17:29] You: you dont sell all of an artwork when it is sold
[2008/05/24 17:29] Octaine Quinnell: A whole web site is not covered by Australian copy right only the individual items displayed within
[2008/05/24 17:30] Ray Holgado: how does that work Octaine?
[2008/05/24 17:30] Octaine Quinnell: Look under the article - I will just get the reference one moment
[2008/05/24 17:30] fabilene Cortes: Hello, everyone
[2008/05/24 17:30] Juanita Deharo: It is not really a question of law is it, but of practice. We are hardly going to have lawyers checking it all out in SL
[2008/05/24 17:30] Nimbus Rau: So the layout of the website, the "look and feel", of it, isn't copyrightable?
[2008/05/24 17:31] RITCHEY Jacobus: hi fabilene
[2008/05/24 17:31] Juanita Deharo: hi fab
[2008/05/24 17:31] Octaine Quinnell: Welcome Fabilene
[2008/05/24 17:31] RITCHEY Jacobus: thing is sl is such a new frontee for the arts
[2008/05/24 17:31] Falen Baar is Online
[2008/05/24 17:31] Larkum Woodget is Online
[2008/05/24 17:32] You: HI Fabilene welocme
[2008/05/24 17:32] Nimbus Rau: And the issues regarding copyright will of course vary depending on the form of one's artwork.
[2008/05/24 17:32] RITCHEY Jacobus: yes
[2008/05/24 17:32] Juanita Deharo: Ritchey in your case it seems very clear - you are using it as a marketing tool for your rl work and have very clear contacts and identification. It seems ludicrouos that uyou are the person who was ingled out!
[2008/05/24 17:32] Juanita Deharo: But for most sl artists the connection to rl is not evident
[2008/05/24 17:33] RITCHEY Jacobus: yes indeed
[2008/05/24 17:33] You: the cuirators of the show obviously did not do their homework... otherwise they would know your work is yours lol
[2008/05/24 17:33] Nimbus Rau: It'd be a lot harder for someone to copy an entire avatar, or one of Glyph Graves's works, than the work of someone who did paintings or suchlike in SL.
[2008/05/24 17:33] Juanita Deharo: well there are such things as copuybots
[2008/05/24 17:33] RITCHEY Jacobus: but i wasnt contacted by the porson making the acusation
[2008/05/24 17:33] Nimbus Rau: I missed the actual issue that started this discussion (crashed); can I have a potted summary?
[2008/05/24 17:33] You: difficult Nimbus but not impossible
[2008/05/24 17:33] Juanita Deharo: copyright within SL for creators is a BIG issue
[2008/05/24 17:34] Nimbus Rau: yeah, but copybots can't copy scripts or anims or sounds.
[2008/05/24 17:34] Linc Nefarious: but who neeeds to prove themselves the person making the acusation of the the target?
[2008/05/24 17:34] Nimbus Rau: A perms screwup would be a more likely source of copying probs, for me.
[2008/05/24 17:34] White Lebed: I met once a very talented painter at some small town art show - she was too good for the small booth, but she refuses to make a website nor have a digital pictures because of all this - she didn't gain much, still unknown
[2008/05/24 17:35] Ray Holgado: lol white!
[2008/05/24 17:35] Juanita Deharo: yes there is a thing as being too afraid
[2008/05/24 17:35] White Lebed: we take risk when we go public to become known famous and yes taken advantage of
[2008/05/24 17:35] Juanita Deharo: for me though as a gallery owner who shows other peoples work it is sometimes hard to find out if the av really owns the wrok
[2008/05/24 17:35] Juanita Deharo: work
[2008/05/24 17:36] Octaine Quinnell: OK back sorry
[2008/05/24 17:36] Juanita Deharo: unless they are willing to give a rl identity and links
[2008/05/24 17:36] You: there is an element of trust involved
[2008/05/24 17:36] Ray Holgado: and for some there are all sorts of reasons not to do that
[2008/05/24 17:36] You: yes i agree Juanita
[2008/05/24 17:36] Octaine Quinnell: Article G35 of the Australian Copyright act has some interesting points for proof of owner ship
[2008/05/24 17:36] RITCHEY Jacobus: i do also
[2008/05/24 17:36] Nimbus Rau: yes. some of us simply *aren't* willing to provide RL identity information on any request.
[2008/05/24 17:36] You: Manx is one - he has his reasons for not having a lionk between his SL and RL works
[2008/05/24 17:36] Octaine Quinnell: http://www.copyright.org.au/
[2008/05/24 17:37] Nimbus Rau: I've thought about this a bit, and for me I think the issue likely may boil down to "are the copies hurting my sales?"
[2008/05/24 17:37] Juanita Deharo: What is the relevant point there Octaine?
[2008/05/24 17:37] Nimbus Rau: I can't totally prevent folk from illegally copying my work in SL, if they're determined to. And paranoia can be really destructive.
[2008/05/24 17:37] Juanita Deharo: Nimbus it is a wider issue than just the personal economical effects
[2008/05/24 17:37] Nimbus Rau: It is, I know. That's just my personal yardstick.
[2008/05/24 17:38] Juanita Deharo: You cant prevent people from copying your work in rl or on the internet either - except by invoking the law
[2008/05/24 17:38] You: and even then it is alwasy after the fact...
[2008/05/24 17:38] Ray Holgado: lol yes- after they have made a fortune from your ideas
[2008/05/24 17:38] Nimbus Rau: and that way lies lawyers - which can get complicated and expensive.
[2008/05/24 17:38] Octaine Quinnell: Sorry - it has reslove the problems with not having a means to display the copyright and hence the true owner of the artwork in question.
[2008/05/24 17:39] Octaine Quinnell: Ideas are not covered by copyright
[2008/05/24 17:39] Ray Holgado: interesting Octaine
[2008/05/24 17:39] White Lebed: if someone can steal my ideas and make a fortune I will just hire htat person to be my agent
[2008/05/24 17:39] Jon Haskell is Online
[2008/05/24 17:39] You: no that is the pervue of patents
[2008/05/24 17:39] White Lebed: like I did with Music Hyun lol
[2008/05/24 17:39] You: lol
[2008/05/24 17:40] Juanita Deharo: so what about people like Minsky who are starting to take out SL trademarks and tell everyone else they can't use names and things in SL?
[2008/05/24 17:40] Nimbus Rau: That's my understanding, too. someone could go over my work prim by prim and duplicate it, creating their own copycat textures and reverse-engineering the scripts. I don't believe it's illegal, just, um, annoying. :-\
[2008/05/24 17:40] You: and more work than creating their own avs...
[2008/05/24 17:40] Nimbus Rau: exactly.
[2008/05/24 17:41] You: but that is sl artwork in sl... we are talking RL art brought in to sl
[2008/05/24 17:41] White Lebed: they probably do it to gain skills - then they will do some original work
[2008/05/24 17:41] You: slightly different perspective
[2008/05/24 17:41] White Lebed: let them be
[2008/05/24 17:41] Nimbus Rau: ah, I thought the topic of the discussion was artwork in sl in general, not specifically rl art in sl.
[2008/05/24 17:41] Juanita Deharo: as artists I can't see why one would do that - exfcept to use it as a marketing tool - like Ritchety - in which case one would have rl links
[2008/05/24 17:41] RITCHEY Jacobus: yes
[2008/05/24 17:42] You: well it is a bit of both - as one of the topics we could cover is how to use your rl art in sl in a sl creative way
[2008/05/24 17:42] Octaine Quinnell: Nim your scripts are covered by copyright and therefore if you wanted too waste alot of money trying to catch them at it - well you have everuy right.
[2008/05/24 17:42] Juanita Deharo: Otherwise why bring it in? It doesnt need to be in SSL - it adds nothing to the artwork
[2008/05/24 17:42] White Lebed: Ritchey anybody ever came to you in RL to buy something becasue of SL?
[2008/05/24 17:42] RITCHEY Jacobus: yes iv sold rl from sl
[2008/05/24 17:43] Juanita Deharo: and I have had some rl work from artworks created in sl
[2008/05/24 17:43] RITCHEY Jacobus: and have met people who know me in rl
[2008/05/24 17:43] Octaine Quinnell: True Juanita - although it does help self promote. Even if we operate under our Alias
[2008/05/24 17:44] Ray Holgado: Ritchey do you sell much art in sl- that is sl artwork?
[2008/05/24 17:44] RITCHEY Jacobus: all my art is my rl art images
[2008/05/24 17:44] White Lebed: I belive that artists should be deep into creation - sales, protectons, promotions, etc is up to their agents - just my point of view
[2008/05/24 17:44] RITCHEY Jacobus: i do sell them in sl though
[2008/05/24 17:44] RITCHEY Jacobus: as images
[2008/05/24 17:44] Nimbus Rau: That assumes one has an agent, though.
[2008/05/24 17:45] Ray Holgado: yes - I mean have you sold it in sl for sl purposes? or are most of your sales via sl going to rl?
[2008/05/24 17:45] Octaine Quinnell: I have drawn up plans to create RL works from my SL art as well. It works well as a medium for creating real space ideas. Challenging us to work out how to produce the effects in RL
[2008/05/24 17:45] Juanita Deharo: yes Octaine
[2008/05/24 17:45] RITCHEY Jacobus: people by my images in sl for sl momes and collections
[2008/05/24 17:45] RITCHEY Jacobus: homes
[2008/05/24 17:45] You: now there is a onother issue...
[2008/05/24 17:45] Juanita Deharo: But if you emailed a gallery in rl as Octaine Quinnell they would want a CV and to meet you etc etc
[2008/05/24 17:46] White Lebed: how showing photos and paitings in sl is different from showing them on your website? any advanteges for 2D art here?
[2008/05/24 17:46] Ray Holgado: ah - more than they buy in sl for rl?
[2008/05/24 17:46] You: sl art taken into RL - how to prove the rl work is not a rip off of an SL work and as they are in different "worlds" does it matter? Are they two spearate works regardless?
[2008/05/24 17:46] Juanita Deharo: MMM - It is all very interesting
[2008/05/24 17:47] Juanita Deharo: There are some videos someone took of my sl work on U Tube
[2008/05/24 17:47] Juanita Deharo: how to I complain and who do i complain to?
[2008/05/24 17:47] Octaine Quinnell: No not if they are easliy identified according to Australian Copyright Law. This is covered in thesame Article
[2008/05/24 17:47] White Lebed: why would you complain? that is a free promotion
[2008/05/24 17:48] Juanita Deharo: lol yes- but what if they were not attributed to me (which they are) but to someone else?
[2008/05/24 17:48] White Lebed: Crap Mariner made a video of my sclupture I sent him thankyou
[2008/05/24 17:48] Octaine Quinnell: Ideas displayed in Sl are published - just the same as they are on a web page or book
[2008/05/24 17:48] Juanita Deharo: WQho would I speak to and how could I prove they were mine
[2008/05/24 17:48] Linc Nefarious: add a comment to the utube video tell people of the real source.
[2008/05/24 17:48] Juanita Deharo: and would it be me rl or Junita?
[2008/05/24 17:48] White Lebed: they didn't mention your name? yack
[2008/05/24 17:48] Nimbus Rau: well, if it were me I'd start by emailing the poster of the video and saying "you seem to have an error in your attribution..." and see where it went from there.
[2008/05/24 17:49] Juanita Deharo: yes they did but I am asking hypothetcailly what if the attributed them to someone else?
[2008/05/24 17:49] Ray Holgado: Is an avatar a legal entity?
[2008/05/24 17:49] Nimbus Rau: you mean insisting that the other person made them even after you'd said "hey, I made that!"?
[2008/05/24 17:49] Nimbus Rau: An avatar, no. but the person behind it, most certainly! *laugh*
[2008/05/24 17:49] Ray Holgado: could an avatar seek legal assistance?
[2008/05/24 17:50] Ray Holgado: could an avatar have copyright?
[2008/05/24 17:50] Octaine Quinnell: yes Nim
[2008/05/24 17:50] Octaine Quinnell: No Ray
[2008/05/24 17:50] Juanita Deharo: yes - I guess there are a few directions to go
[2008/05/24 17:50] You: good poinrt Ray - and yet to be proved in court anywhere
[2008/05/24 17:50] Nimbus Rau: I don't believe so. At best, an avatar would likely be considered an alias, I'd guess, or a pen-name type thing.
[2008/05/24 17:50] White Lebed: I would like to see the judge who can understand that someone stole a sculpture that does't exist froma person who doesn't exist and sold it for money which don't exist
[2008/05/24 17:50] Ray Holgado: What about a shared avatar
[2008/05/24 17:51] Octaine Quinnell: We as Avatars work as a ghost writer does in litereary terms
[2008/05/24 17:51] You: lol White
[2008/05/24 17:51] Ray Holgado: Tyhere are avatars who are used by several rl people
[2008/05/24 17:51] Saitot Tammas is Offline
[2008/05/24 17:51] You: which is agaionst TOS Ray
[2008/05/24 17:51] Nimbus Rau: SL TOS forbids shared avatars, so that would open a whole different can of worms, I suspect.
[2008/05/24 17:51] You: can get your account cancelled
[2008/05/24 17:51] Ray Holgado: I am just thinking off the top of my head here
[2008/05/24 17:51] White Lebed: yes PR avatars
[2008/05/24 17:51] White Lebed: secret topic lol
[2008/05/24 17:51] Ray Holgado: woops - I had better not let you know how many peole use me then
[2008/05/24 17:51] You: lol
[2008/05/24 17:52] Linc Nefarious: whoch Ray are we talking to now?
[2008/05/24 17:52] Ray Holgado: oh I am always Ray
[2008/05/24 17:52] Ray Holgado: That is the issue
[2008/05/24 17:52] Linc Nefarious: heh
[2008/05/24 17:52] Ray Holgado: I have an identity - but is it legal?
[2008/05/24 17:52] You: good question - and what about RL entities who are multiple personalities...
[2008/05/24 17:52] You: using a single av in sl
[2008/05/24 17:52] Linc Nefarious: ohhhh
[2008/05/24 17:53] White Lebed: officially they don't exist
[2008/05/24 17:53] White Lebed: but we know they do
[2008/05/24 17:53] You: legally no - thankfully
[2008/05/24 17:53] Nimbus Rau: Re the original question - my next step, in that scenario would be to contact youtube directly and ask for the video to be taken down. they're known to do that for copyright infringements. And if one created the item, it would surely be the case that one would be able to show some evidence of that - original artwork in rl, photoshop files of textures, etc etc?
[2008/05/24 17:53] Juanita Deharo: But is there a point to bringing rl art into sl and putting it on walls as 2D unless you are linking it to RL sales?
[2008/05/24 17:53] RITCHEY Jacobus: is therw an arts register in sl were artists can register works and names
[2008/05/24 17:53] You: sharing your images
[2008/05/24 17:54] You: no
[2008/05/24 17:54] Linc Nefarious: Juanita...why not? a new market for your art
[2008/05/24 17:54] Donita Spyker is Offline
[2008/05/24 17:54] Nimbus Rau: Making SL sales in and of itself isn't a good reason? I know someone who does that with her RL art, and it seems to work for her.
[2008/05/24 17:54] Octaine Quinnell: Yes sharing that is a good point
[2008/05/24 17:54] Juanita Deharo: well yes Linc - but as I said only seems reasonable if it is linked to rl
[2008/05/24 17:54] Nimbus Rau: well, folks' definitions of "reasonable" can vary.
[2008/05/24 17:54] You: SL is a social networking site - you could bring your RL 2d in for social reasons not linked to monetry gain but still have copyright situations to deal with
[2008/05/24 17:54] Juanita Deharo: Ok Nimbus - I see- to make SL money yes
[2008/05/24 17:55] Nimbus Rau: Perhaps someone has a body of RL work that they created previously, and they're selling it in Sl simply to generate an SL income for themselves That seems quite "reasonable" to me.
[2008/05/24 17:55] Octaine Quinnell: I have people just view my stuff in SL and ask me to create something fro them in Rl so it works for me Juanita
[2008/05/24 17:55] Juanita Deharo: well unless it is linked to rl there is NO way you can establish copyright in SL
[2008/05/24 17:55] Juanita Deharo: I can go and get any image and bring it in and call it mine
[2008/05/24 17:55] Larkum Woodget is Offline
[2008/05/24 17:55] Nimbus Rau: true.
[2008/05/24 17:56] SuperKara Kline is Offline
[2008/05/24 17:56] Ray Holgado: and we know people are doing that
[2008/05/24 17:56] Nimbus Rau: and it's hard to provide any kind of airtight *proof* that Avatar A is RL Person B.
[2008/05/24 17:56] You: and how rl does it have to get? - what of digital photos I have in SL and on flickr butno longer have teh orginal files due to data loss...
[2008/05/24 17:56] Linc Nefarious: yes, my point, to make SL money. the point of SL is volume. there isnt much now but it will grow. 300L is about $1US dollar. why not sell 500 copies?
[2008/05/24 17:56] Ray Holgado: you can buy any number of famous artist's works
[2008/05/24 17:56] Nimbus Rau: Eventually, it does come down to a certain level of trust, I think.
[2008/05/24 17:56] Octaine Quinnell: If I did not own the artwork I could not really create a similar styled work. Even if the person did steal my commision it would just be bad luck for me I guess. But being a graphic artist - this happens alot in RL
[2008/05/24 17:57] You: all the time Oct
[2008/05/24 17:57] Juanita Deharo: but Octaine I could take an image from the net and use it in SL to create an artwork - then take it out into rl and sell it or use it
[2008/05/24 17:57] Juanita Deharo: so does it matter?
[2008/05/24 17:57] You: if you create a logo or image whilst working for an agenvcy or company then the comapny owns the coipyright not you
[2008/05/24 17:58] Ray Holgado: I like the idea of an art registry b- who suggested that?
[2008/05/24 17:58] Nimbus Rau: well, if you create it under their instruction, yes. Not if you do it for yourself in your own time.
[2008/05/24 17:58] Linc Nefarious: quad...in software its a bit different actually
[2008/05/24 17:58] Juanita Deharo: Would you inlcude 2D images in that?
[2008/05/24 17:58] You: I knew the guy who drew the first boxing kangaroo that got used for the Ammericas cup fame
[2008/05/24 17:58] You: he didn't even geta ty formt he agency he was working with
[2008/05/24 17:58] Octaine Quinnell: Yes Quad
[2008/05/24 17:58] Nimbus Rau: that sucks.
[2008/05/24 17:58] Juanita Deharo: depends how your contracts are drawn up
[2008/05/24 17:59] Octaine Quinnell: Yes
[2008/05/24 17:59] Juanita Deharo: If I sell copyright there's a whacking big hit on the fee
[2008/05/24 17:59] You: true Juanita
[2008/05/24 17:59] Linc Nefarious: as an employee, the employer owns the copyright. as a contractor, you own the copyright.
[2008/05/24 17:59] You: lol yep
[2008/05/24 17:59] Octaine Quinnell: My company owns my creations and ideas
[2008/05/24 17:59] Juanita Deharo: not necessarily Linc
[2008/05/24 17:59] Juanita Deharo: lucky compnay Octaine
[2008/05/24 17:59] Linc Nefarious: it depends of the contracts of course.
[2008/05/24 17:59] Ray Holgado: so is an art register possible?
[2008/05/24 17:59] Ray Holgado: who should keep it?
[2008/05/24 18:00] Ray Holgado: what should be in it?
[2008/05/24 18:00] Ray Holgado: what is this pose Quad?
[2008/05/24 18:00] Ray Holgado: why do I keep scratching my balls?
[2008/05/24 18:00] Octaine Quinnell: But I only have to write a letter asking to publish my art and I have legal rights to do so as I am the original ownerArticle G75
[2008/05/24 18:00] You: lol is your ao ray...
[2008/05/24 18:00] Nimbus Rau: how would you prove authorship for the register in an airtight way?
[2008/05/24 18:01] You: that is the rub
[2008/05/24 18:01] Mayra Roffo is Offline
[2008/05/24 18:01] Juanita Deharo: that's the question nimbus
[2008/05/24 18:01] Nimbus Rau: It really is, isn't it? It all comes down to that, in the end.
[2008/05/24 18:01] Octaine Quinnell: Yes
[2008/05/24 18:01] Octaine Quinnell: We can't seem to ansewr that one
[2008/05/24 18:01] Juanita Deharo: and it is impossible to prove
[2008/05/24 18:02] Jon Haskell is Offline
[2008/05/24 18:02] Juanita Deharo: and such a data base would be totally unmanageable
[2008/05/24 18:02] Gracie Kendal is Offline
[2008/05/24 18:02] Juanita Deharo: But there is a need for some documentation of art and the devel of art in SL
[2008/05/24 18:02] Juanita Deharo: cos people like Dan Coyote are stealing the story
[2008/05/24 18:02] Nimbus Rau: well, it might be provable in person - "here's the rough sketches I made leading up to artwork A; and I'll now paint a pic in the same style as artwork B.." but without RL contact, it's very hard.
[2008/05/24 18:03] Nimbus Rau: Dan Coyote?
[2008/05/24 18:03] Juanita Deharo: 'hyperformalism'
[2008/05/24 18:03] Octaine Quinnell: Yes Nim Ithought of doing that too
[2008/05/24 18:03] You: yes he's very vociferois
[2008/05/24 18:03] Linc Nefarious: well, you can embed a digital signature into a work. but how do you stop someone making basically a copy. its not the original, but so what?
[2008/05/24 18:03] Nimbus Rau: I'm not familiar with him or his work.
[2008/05/24 18:03] Octaine Quinnell: But still can't prove ownership of any of those items either really
[2008/05/24 18:03] You: and confrontational when approched about his art
[2008/05/24 18:03] Juanita Deharo: the story of sl art is being written by a few
[2008/05/24 18:03] Juanita Deharo: there is a need for some proper art historians in sl
[2008/05/24 18:04] White Lebed: you have to know a few overhyped names
[2008/05/24 18:04] White Lebed: check the blogs
[2008/05/24 18:04] Nimbus Rau: *nod* I'll do that. any in particular?
[2008/05/24 18:04] Nimbus Rau accepted your inventory offer.
[2008/05/24 18:04] Juanita Deharo: you cant prove copyright of items made only in sl either
[2008/05/24 18:04] Octaine Quinnell: Well you can't stop somone making a copy but it is illegal
[2008/05/24 18:04] You: notecard of his latest press release
[2008/05/24 18:04] Nimbus Rau: thanks, Quad. :-)
[2008/05/24 18:04] White Lebed: ok people very nice talk - gotto go back to my builds :)
[2008/05/24 18:04] White Lebed: ty quad
[2008/05/24 18:04] You: yw White thanks for coming
[2008/05/24 18:04] Octaine Quinnell: ByeWhite
[2008/05/24 18:04] White Lebed: oups
[2008/05/24 18:04] White Lebed: lol
[2008/05/24 18:04] White Lebed: that wasnt' graceful
[2008/05/24 18:05] You: lol sorry
[2008/05/24 18:05] White Lebed: the table if phantom
[2008/05/24 18:05] White Lebed: lol
[2008/05/24 18:05] White Lebed: no i tis funny
[2008/05/24 18:05] You: dismounting in sl rarely is lol
[2008/05/24 18:05] White Lebed: cu
[2008/05/24 18:05] Ray Holgado: Octiane if I sold something as mod so someone couold resize it all they have to do is link a transparent ball to it and it says they made it
[2008/05/24 18:05] You: not in inspect it doesn't
[2008/05/24 18:05] Linc Nefarious: what about embedding a digital signature into the work using what is called steganography. which is embedding information into an image.
[2008/05/24 18:06] You: I could have shown you - as White was wearing a pair of earrings she made out of an item I gave her
[2008/05/24 18:06] Octaine Quinnell: Can be edited out in most programs Linc
[2008/05/24 18:06] You: the prims she borrowed form my work would still show me as creator
[2008/05/24 18:06] Linc Nefarious: yes it can. but without it, it isnt the real thing.
[2008/05/24 18:06] Juanita Deharo: true- but the object would say it was created by her
[2008/05/24 18:07] Fangorn Dengaku is Offline
[2008/05/24 18:07] White Lebed is Offline
[2008/05/24 18:07] You: only on the edit level
[2008/05/24 18:07] Juanita Deharo: but you could put in a false one then Linc
[2008/05/24 18:07] You: inspect is easy and shows creator prim by prim
[2008/05/24 18:07] Ray Holgado: It seems an impossible question
[2008/05/24 18:07] You: sorry folks - I will have to leave you - I am attending a rl course today
[2008/05/24 18:07] Ginseng Kyong is Offline
[2008/05/24 18:07] Nimbus Rau: Juanita, anyone who's ever built an object in Sl would know that checkign other prims would help clarify any issues regarding who made what.
[2008/05/24 18:07] Linc Nefarious: true, but again, it isnt the real thing. a person can fake it sure, but only you have the real object.
[2008/05/24 18:07] Juanita Deharo: and I have to hanfg out the washing
[2008/05/24 18:08] Juanita Deharo: thanks Qyad - an interesting topic
[2008/05/24 18:08] Juanita Deharo: bye all
[2008/05/24 18:08] You: please stay and discuss the issue - I will leave my av here so I can stiull create a transcript and will post it to the salon's own blog\
[2008/05/24 18:08] Octaine Quinnell: Bye Quad
[2008/05/24 18:08] RITCHEY Jacobus: bye juan
[2008/05/24 18:08] Nimbus Rau: oh, seeya, quad! Interesting discussion indeed. Thanks for organising it!
[2008/05/24 18:08] You: ty Juanita see you agin soon
[2008/05/24 18:08] Ray Holgado: yes thanks quad
[2008/05/24 18:08] Ray Holgado: nice to meet you all too
[2008/05/24 18:08] Linc Nefarious: it raises more questions than it answers im afraid
[2008/05/24 18:08] Nimbus Rau: oh, the salon has a blog? the things one learns. ;-)
[2008/05/24 18:08] Octaine Quinnell: Bye Juanita
[2008/05/24 18:08] You: there will be another salon in a fortnight
[2008/05/24 18:08] You: It will by this eveing lol
[2008/05/24 18:09] Nimbus Rau: bye Juanita!
[2008/05/24 18:09] You: farewell
[2008/05/24 18:09] You: afk
[2008/05/24 18:09] Nimbus Rau: That's the problem with complicated issues, Linc. If it were easy we'd have the solution already. :-7
[2008/05/24 18:09] fabilene Cortes: :) I will try to read again all this
[2008/05/24 18:09] RITCHEY Jacobus: i must be off see you all again
[2008/05/24 18:09] Ray Holgado: Rictchey you are a bit of an inspiration the way you use SL for marketing
[2008/05/24 18:09] Ray Holgado: nice to meet you
[2008/05/24 18:10] RITCHEY Jacobus: yes thank you ray
[2008/05/24 18:10] Octaine Quinnell: Yes Ritchey
[2008/05/24 18:10] fabilene Cortes: thanks for inviting me to the discussion, Octaine
[2008/05/24 18:10] fabilene Cortes: see you all
[2008/05/24 18:10] Ray Holgado: you were very quiet fabilene
[2008/05/24 18:10] Octaine Quinnell: That is OK Fabilene
[2008/05/24 18:10] Nimbus Rau waves goodbye to everyone who's leaving now
[2008/05/24 18:10] Linc Nefarious: for sure. but at least we are starting to ask better questions
[2008/05/24 18:10] Nimbus Rau: Um, is anyone staying?
[2008/05/24 18:10] Ray Holgado: bye nimbus
[2008/05/24 18:10] RITCHEY Jacobus: see you
[2008/05/24 18:10] Octaine Quinnell: I can for a bit
[2008/05/24 18:10] RITCHEY Jacobus: all again soon
[2008/05/24 18:10] Linc Nefarious: im staying for a while
[2008/05/24 18:10] Ray Holgado: I spose I ought to get some sunlight or I might wilt
[2008/05/24 18:10] fabilene Cortes: I was trying to understand each point and to see what I missed :)
[2008/05/24 18:11] fabilene Cortes: I am always very quiet when I just want to learn :)
[2008/05/24 18:11] Nimbus Rau: I find it all very interesting to discuss, but my issues are a little different to those of many 2d artists.
[2008/05/24 18:11] Ray Holgado: you are a sculptor
[2008/05/24 18:11] Ray Holgado: ?
[2008/05/24 18:11] fabilene Cortes: right, Nimbus
[2008/05/24 18:11] Nimbus Rau: I like to fondly imagine that the compexity of my avs helps prevent casual copying, at the very least. But who knows? I could be kidding myself.
[2008/05/24 18:11] Octaine Quinnell: Yes well the discission might help you wtih your own SL Gallery Fab
[2008/05/24 18:12] Nimbus Rau: I make avatars. The one I'm wearing is my current work-in-progress.
[2008/05/24 18:12] Ray Holgado: ahah - you make avatars - like that fabulous dragon
[2008/05/24 18:12] Octaine Quinnell: Please jon us again Fabilene
[2008/05/24 18:12] fabilene Cortes: That's why it is so difficult to give a general answer about copyrights and artworks in sl :) see you again
[2008/05/24 18:12] Ray Holgado: Are you the one who made those cats?
[2008/05/24 18:12] fabilene Cortes: it is 3am for me :)
[2008/05/24 18:12] Ray Holgado: bye fabilene
[2008/05/24 18:12] Nimbus Rau: yes, exactly, fab! but it's an interesting topic to debate, just the same.
[2008/05/24 18:13] Octaine Quinnell: yes
[2008/05/24 18:13] Nimbus Rau: Yes, I made some cats as well. dunno if they're the ones you've seen, but it's pretty likely that they might be. :-)
[2008/05/24 18:13] Lord Coalcliff is Offline
[2008/05/24 18:13] Ray Holgado: they were on the catwalk (!) at quads one night
[2008/05/24 18:14] Nimbus Rau: yup, those were mine. :-)
[2008/05/24 18:14] Octaine Quinnell: Nim your artwork is much harder to copy than our SD RL artwork once in SL
[2008/05/24 18:14] Octaine Quinnell: 2D
[2008/05/24 18:14] Octaine Quinnell: sorry
[2008/05/24 18:14] Nimbus Rau: yes, that's my point. it's not impossible, but the issues are more technical than ethical, for me, to some degree. If that makes sense.
[2008/05/24 18:14] Linc Nefarious: true. you have an advantage there
[2008/05/24 18:14] Ray Holgado: Octaine - I think the best thing is to make only SL artworks
[2008/05/24 18:14] Nimbus Rau: It's probably the *safest* way, anyway.
[2008/05/24 18:15] Octaine Quinnell: Yes I have started
[2008/05/24 18:15] Octaine Quinnell: pop over to my studio and you can see my progress
[2008/05/24 18:15] Ray Holgado: But its also probably the way we should go - make a new world
[2008/05/24 18:15] Ray Holgado: not just a 3D replica
[2008/05/24 18:15] Octaine Quinnell: But one of my builds combines Rl and SL artwork
[2008/05/24 18:16] Nimbus Rau: I get a bit leery of too many *shoulds* - everyone has their own reasons for doing what they do in SL. There's space for all of us here. :-)
[2008/05/24 18:16] Ray Holgado: sorry - yes nimbus
[2008/05/24 18:16] Octaine Quinnell: Sometimes not enough space
[2008/05/24 18:16] Linc Nefarious: I like the idea of SL/RL bleeding a bit into each other
[2008/05/24 18:16] Octaine Quinnell: Yes me too
[2008/05/24 18:16] Nimbus Rau: That said, it always amazes and delights me when someone does something Cool and Original in SL.
[2008/05/24 18:16] Ray Holgado: yes I like that too Linc
[2008/05/24 18:16] Octaine Quinnell: Gices the world some groundign
[2008/05/24 18:16] Octaine Quinnell: grounding
[2008/05/24 18:16] Octaine Quinnell: lol
[2008/05/24 18:17] Linc Nefarious: if I saw something amazing in SL, it would be great to be able to hang it in my house in RL if I wanted to
[2008/05/24 18:17] Octaine Quinnell: Can I res an example
[2008/05/24 18:17] Nimbus Rau: yeah. It's all very well to get all transhumanist and enthused about SL, but we come to it from RL, with our RL backgrounds and experiences. Starting with a visual language that folk can understand can be valuable, I think.
[2008/05/24 18:17] Nimbus Rau: One doesn't have to stay there, but it can be a good starting point.
[2008/05/24 18:18] Ray Holgado: true- that's why I make baskets!
[2008/05/24 18:18] Nimbus Rau: yep. and it's why I make cat avs as well as more fantastical things.
[2008/05/24 18:19] Octaine Quinnell: My Rl art is very photo real - my SL art is pure abstract
[2008/05/24 18:19] Nimbus Rau: I have a project on the drawing board that I'll start seriously working on after I've finished this dragonet, and that new project's seriously abstract and fantastical. I'm *really* looking forward to working on it.
[2008/05/24 18:19] Ray Holgado: but you could combibe the two in SL I guess
[2008/05/24 18:19] Octaine Quinnell: Yes
[2008/05/24 18:19] Ray Holgado: Nimbus - creativity is the buzz

Salon Topic Suggestions

2008-05-25T02:59:00.000-07:00

Please leave your Salon topic suggestions in the comments for this entry...

As long as it is related to art in SL or RL it is fair game - so go wild and suggest our favourite art related hobby horse;-)

If it tickles my fancy I'll include it in an upcoming topics schedule... which will be liable to change without notice ;-)

Salon transcripts will be published here

2008-05-25T02:57:00.001-07:00

After every Arts salon the edited transcript will be posted here - if you do not wish your input to the salon to be published please let Quadrapop Lane know in world via IM or notecard.

Quadrapop Tree Arts Salons

2008-05-25T02:51:00.000-07:00

Every second Saturday from May 10 at 5pm SLT/PDT in Second Life the Quadrapop Tree Gallery, Pelinor 178/136/551 will be hosting fortnightly artists' Salons.

Topics of conversation will range; from discussing the work of artists currently on display in the gallery; to how to make art in sl; to what constitutes art in SL; to art theory; and gallery operations - anything and everything to do with art in sl could be considered. Guest speakers will be invited on a regular basis.

If you think this would be the kind of event that is suitable to be advertised through your group, friends list or personal contacts please feel free to spread the word.

The first Salon will address what people would like to consider in upcoming Salons and also look at the works of Manx Wharton whose images will be on display at the Gallery.

Quadrapop Tree Gallery Artists' Salons
Quadrapop Tree Gallery
http://slurl.com/secondlife/Pelinor/178/136/551
Fortnightly from Saturday 10 May 5pm-7pm SLT
No cover charge
All welcome - you dont need to be an artist, just have some interest in the arts in SL